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Master Geek
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  Reply # 380840 16-Sep-2010 19:45
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C:\Users\Brooks>tracert www.google.com

Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  . [192.168.1.1]
  2   132 ms   127 ms   211 ms  lo1.ras1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.8.201]
  3   272 ms   279 ms   221 ms  xe-1-0-0.cre2.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.14]
  4   169 ms   124 ms   155 ms  121.98.9.146
  5   149 ms    43 ms    41 ms  ge-0-1-0-598.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.1
]
  6   127 ms   135 ms    46 ms  GOOGLE-GW.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.2]
  7   148 ms   212 ms   105 ms  66.249.95.232
  8    53 ms    53 ms   125 ms  64.233.174.242
  9   470 ms   396 ms   425 ms  www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Brooks>tracert www.google.com

Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  . [192.168.1.1]
  2   149 ms   202 ms   326 ms  lo1.ras1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.8.201]
  3   274 ms   204 ms   351 ms  xe-1-0-0.cre2.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.14]
  4   335 ms   299 ms   304 ms  121.98.9.146
  5   236 ms   270 ms   345 ms  ge-0-1-0-598.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.1
]
  6   189 ms   220 ms   223 ms  GOOGLE-GW.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.2]
  7   163 ms   165 ms   175 ms  66.249.95.232
  8   358 ms   242 ms   305 ms  64.233.174.242
  9   146 ms   126 ms   185 ms  www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]

Nothing downloading, Wireless router is fully passworded.

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Master Geek
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  Reply # 380846 16-Sep-2010 19:56
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C:\Users\Brooks>tracert www.google.com

Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  . [192.168.1.1]
  2    16 ms    17 ms    18 ms  lo1.ras1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.8.201]
  3    15 ms    16 ms    15 ms  xe-1-0-0.cre2.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.14]
  4    16 ms    17 ms    17 ms  121.98.9.146
  5    43 ms    43 ms    42 ms  ge-0-1-0-598.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.1
]
  6    42 ms    42 ms    43 ms  GOOGLE-GW.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.2]
  7    43 ms    42 ms    43 ms  66.249.95.232
  8    42 ms    52 ms    52 ms  64.233.174.242
  9    43 ms    43 ms    44 ms  www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Brooks>

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Uber Geek
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  Reply # 380940 16-Sep-2010 22:32
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Brookz: Where in NZ are you?

Can you email me your login name or ip address.

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Geek


  Reply # 381434 17-Sep-2010 20:38
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So does this EUBA vs BUBA apply if you're on a cabinet?

I'm on a cabinet and am still getting excellent speeds during the day, but there's been a fairly noticeable change in the evening recently. 

 

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Geek


  Reply # 381479 17-Sep-2010 23:36

scottatron: So does this EUBA vs BUBA apply if you're on a cabinet?

I'm on a cabinet and am still getting excellent speeds during the day, but there's been a fairly noticeable change in the evening recently. 

 



Speeds seem okay again, but I agree it still feels like there's something going on in the evenings. Can't seem to find anything conclusive via speedtests/tracerts/measurement lab's tests to post - it mostly shows itself in occasionally being unable to connect to certain or all websites till the router/connection is reset, stuttering of speed while running speedtest, and similar things that never seem to last long enough to show up in a test.

Same kind of thing was happening back in April too, and was clear of this problem for months before the resolved? slowdown issue a couple of days ago.

 

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  Reply # 382218 20-Sep-2010 12:54
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Yeah I am finding Orcon Speed absolutely shocking. I have been with them for a about 3 years the first 2.5 were OK. Its my belief that currently Orcon is starting to get some serious internal problems and are looking at new options for an reliable ISP

I think Rambaldi might of hit the nail on the head "
"Looks like Orcon forgot to purchase intentional bandwidth again. "

Now in 2 locations I get about a 350 kbs download and they start dropping of at 5 pm every day then start coming back after 11 pm .
Getting unusable at times.
LOL to those that talk about streaming Youtube . I it takes about 30 mins to load a 5 minute low quality clip.

I have been going back and forth with Orcon "support" and the best they can tell me is to get a new router funny how it drops out in 2 locations about 5 km apart a the same time every day and it is my problem .

I do believe they are BS..ing me . It seems like a ISP move is about the only option that I have.

Plus their SMTP is stil today blocked by Microsoft. A problem which I talked to them about over a week ago.

****@windowslive.com
SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM: SIZE=27035:
host mx3.hotmail.com [65.55.37.72]: 550 SC-001 Unfortunately, messages from
219.88.242.3 http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/219.88.242.3 as you can see Orcon

weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list. You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.

To summarise a few quotes that I have read about Orcon



 
"Looks like Orcon forgot to purchase international bandwidth again. "
 
 

"Orcon has been abysmal for me for a few months "
 
"I have 4 years of speed test results and am able to show a subjective disintegration of my up and down speed over that time. i have a grandfather max/max account with them and it is failing to deliver both in the up and down speeds.
I get 50% of my up speed now, compared to last years figures, and my down is 10% of my non peak period figures.

"patches of lag which make the game virtually unplayable. This has never happened in the past and it's extremely frustrating. I've had enough. "
 
"I'm seriously considering making the switch to Telecom. Browsing the web seems ok (even though it's basically impossible to watch videos at night), but online gaming on the PS3 has taken a serious plunge lately. There are constant patches of lag which make the game virtually unplayable. This has never happened in the past and it's extremely frustrating. I've had enough. "


"moved to telecom today, damn I am happy with the new speed at peak time(now)! "
 
"He has been told to reply to the emails, and here and the accepted email templates to use (even if those templates LIE to your customers) "
 


 
"
You have an interesting data point though, wonder if Orcon is shaping LLU traffic differently from non-LLU..."
 
"
Well, come 1st October I shall be Orcon free after more than 5 years with them.
Yet to decide who I will actually move my Internet to though "
 
 
"Just out of interest, here's an update on my switch to the Telecom Pro plan. No speedtests here as they're just ......... awesome   :-)




.

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  Reply # 382323 20-Sep-2010 15:53
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was wondering why it got a lot slower for a couple of minutes just on 1am last night seem my router was hit with a short burst of DOS attacks ...
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:58:48 - TCP Packet - Source:80.108.138.90,37198 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:58:49 - TCP Packet - Source:83.109.178.106,50631 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:58:49 - TCP Packet - Source:8.17.30.51,3998 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:06 - TCP Packet - Source:69.225.34.72,60107 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:07 - TCP Packet - Source:83.172.125.84,37619 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:07 - TCP Packet - Source:85.23.67.156,34478 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:07 - TCP Packet - Source:173.183.160.100,65079 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:07 - TCP Packet - Source:124.188.226.146,47101 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:08 - TCP Packet - Source:173.183.160.100,65079 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:08 - TCP Packet - Source:124.188.226.146,47101 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:08 - TCP Packet - Source:94.227.134.44,54727 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:08 - TCP Packet - Source:89.240.173.75,21713 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:83.172.125.84,37619 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:207.216.223.198,4149 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:173.183.160.100,65079 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:151.47.156.53,54108 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:175.145.49.46,61953 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:178.25.57.227,1834 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:94.227.134.44,54727 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:217.191.83.116,22040 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:09 - TCP Packet - Source:69.225.34.72,60107 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:10 - TCP Packet - Source:83.54.81.63,53012 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:10 - TCP Packet - Source:89.180.2.246,59492 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:10 - TCP Packet - Source:124.188.226.146,47101 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:10 - TCP Packet - Source:85.147.225.215,58131 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:10 - TCP Packet - Source:200.159.197.150,58024 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:10 - TCP Packet - Source:69.165.131.165,35850 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:11 - TCP Packet - Source:89.180.2.246,59492 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:11 - TCP Packet - Source:124.188.226.146,47101 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:11 - TCP Packet - Source:94.227.134.44,54727 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:12 - TCP Packet - Source:76.190.211.10,54609 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:12 - TCP Packet - Source:69.171.131.96,60221 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:12 - TCP Packet - Source:87.175.199.44,49445 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:12 - TCP Packet - Source:173.183.160.100,65079 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:12 - TCP Packet - Source:89.180.2.246,59492 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:12 - TCP Packet - Source:83.54.81.63,53012 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:12 - TCP Packet - Source:121.7.246.129,56053 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:13 - TCP Packet - Source:83.54.81.63,53012 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:13 - TCP Packet - Source:121.7.246.129,56053 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:13 - TCP Packet - Source:89.180.2.246,59492 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:13 - TCP Packet - Source:174.5.37.235,64282 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:13 - TCP Packet - Source:109.91.245.252,34968 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:14 - TCP Packet - Source:69.171.131.96,60221 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:14 - TCP Packet - Source:122.104.145.189,54302 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:14 - TCP Packet - Source:124.188.226.146,47101 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:15 - TCP Packet - Source:122.104.145.189,54302 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:15 - TCP Packet - Source:69.225.34.72,60107 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:16 - TCP Packet - Source:83.172.125.84,37619 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:16 - TCP Packet - Source:122.104.145.189,54302 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:16 - TCP Packet - Source:69.171.131.96,60221 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:16 - TCP Packet - Source:121.7.246.129,56053 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:18 - TCP Packet - Source:88.64.133.55,58511 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:19 - TCP Packet - Source:69.171.131.96,60221 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:19 - TCP Packet - Source:83.54.81.63,53012 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:19 - TCP Packet - Source:88.64.133.55,58511 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:19 - TCP Packet - Source:174.5.37.235,64282 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:19 - TCP Packet - Source:72.130.156.86,59831 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:19 - TCP Packet - Source:69.165.131.165,35850 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:21 - TCP Packet - Source:85.155.47.101,53882 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:21 - TCP Packet - Source:72.130.156.86,59831 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:22 - TCP Packet - Source:85.155.47.101,53882 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:24 - TCP Packet - Source:83.172.125.84,37619 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:24 - TCP Packet - Source:199.172.227.85,56329 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:24 - TCP Packet - Source:87.55.203.37,63850 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:24 - TCP Packet - Source:217.191.83.116,22116 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:43 - TCP Packet - Source:89.128.30.227,58560 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:44 - TCP Packet - Source:68.147.23.218,52555 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:44 - TCP Packet - Source:212.251.241.225,55812 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:44 - TCP Packet - Source:122.104.145.189,54509 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:45 - TCP Packet - Source:24.99.247.29,52020 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:45 - TCP Packet - Source:85.64.168.9,64341 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:45 - TCP Packet - Source:70.26.250.59,61753 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:72.12.73.53,58947 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:84.144.232.78,57181 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:89.6.218.218,61322 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:218.75.17.74,53040 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:89.128.30.227,58560 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:85.64.168.9,64341 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:203.59.113.193,3945 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:46 - TCP Packet - Source:80.57.88.150,55166 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:47 - TCP Packet - Source:85.64.168.9,64341 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:48 - TCP Packet - Source:83.31.202.248,58491 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:48 - TCP Packet - Source:87.194.30.128,62081 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:48 - TCP Packet - Source:122.104.145.189,54509 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:48 - TCP Packet - Source:89.0.50.184,43800 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:48 - TCP Packet - Source:72.130.156.86,60018 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:48 - TCP Packet - Source:85.64.168.9,64341 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:49 - TCP Packet - Source:218.75.17.74,53040 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:49 - TCP Packet - Source:72.130.156.86,60018 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:49 - TCP Packet - Source:85.64.168.9,64341 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:49 - TCP Packet - Source:69.165.131.165,36749 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:50 - TCP Packet - Source:122.104.145.189,54509 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:50 - TCP Packet - Source:72.130.156.86,60018 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:51 - TCP Packet - Source:189.127.103.236,59649 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:51 - TCP Packet - Source:79.117.225.226,65381 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:51 - TCP Packet - Source:72.130.156.86,60018 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:52 - TCP Packet - Source:85.64.168.9,64341 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:52 - TCP Packet - Source:203.59.113.193,3945 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:54 - TCP Packet - Source:24.99.247.29,52020 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:54 - TCP Packet - Source:190.253.246.139,56323 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:55 - TCP Packet - Source:78.69.118.23,61152 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:58 - TCP Packet - Source:200.159.197.150,58135 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:58 - TCP Packet - Source:89.6.218.218,61322 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:58 - TCP Packet - Source:89.0.50.184,43800 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 00:59:58 - TCP Packet - Source:68.147.23.218,52555 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:01 - TCP Packet - Source:110.174.114.111,54524 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:05 - TCP Packet - Source:83.31.202.248,58491 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:06 - TCP Packet - Source:83.132.1.9,25221 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:07 - TCP Packet - Source:85.145.228.229,52639 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:07 - TCP Packet - Source:83.250.102.65,4300 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:07 - TCP Packet - Source:178.128.147.147,53153 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:07 - TCP Packet - Source:70.243.202.127,61395 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:07 - TCP Packet - Source:70.68.52.209,39570 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:07 - TCP Packet - Source:110.174.114.111,54524 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:08 - TCP Packet - Source:70.68.52.209,39570 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:10 - TCP Packet - Source:85.145.228.229,52639 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:10 - TCP Packet - Source:178.128.147.147,53153 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:11 - TCP Packet - Source:74.100.197.179,52032 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:11 - TCP Packet - Source:68.207.109.179,49586 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:12 - TCP Packet - Source:79.117.225.226,60843 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:12 - TCP Packet - Source:123.243.138.97,1513 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:14 - TCP Packet - Source:85.145.228.229,52639 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:14 - TCP Packet - Source:82.181.62.181,61203 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:15 - TCP Packet - Source:74.100.197.179,52032 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:15 - TCP Packet - Source:79.117.225.226,60843 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:15 - TCP Packet - Source:79.103.223.41,3344 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:15 - TCP Packet - Source:81.251.93.29,60554 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:15 - TCP Packet - Source:89.155.32.9,51838 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:15 - TCP Packet - Source:69.196.183.129,64736 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:15 - TCP Packet - Source:189.104.97.213,57323 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:16 - TCP Packet - Source:82.181.62.181,61203 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:18 - TCP Packet - Source:85.145.228.229,52639 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:18 - TCP Packet - Source:82.181.62.181,61203 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:18 - TCP Packet - Source:79.103.223.41,3344 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:18 - TCP Packet - Source:189.104.97.213,57323 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:19 - TCP Packet - Source:74.100.197.179,52032 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:19 - TCP Packet - Source:77.56.84.24,49012 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:23 - TCP Packet - Source:86.85.16.167,63464 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:25 - TCP Packet - Source:189.104.97.213,57323 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]
Mon, 2010-09-20 01:00:28 - TCP Packet - Source:187.119.131.162,3438 Destination:60.234.217.211,39192 - [DOS]

and as abruptly as it started it stopped

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  Reply # 382485 20-Sep-2010 22:04
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Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms . [192.168.1.1]
2 203 ms 212 ms 138 ms lo1.ras1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.8.201]
3 156 ms 162 ms 172 ms xe-1-0-0.cre2.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.14]
4 97 ms 95 ms 39 ms 121.98.9.146
5 73 ms 74 ms 108 ms ge-0-1-0-598.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.1
]
6 129 ms 62 ms 48 ms GOOGLE-GW.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.2]
7 48 ms 58 ms 79 ms 66.249.95.232
8 358 ms 358 ms 361 ms 64.233.174.242
9 179 ms 48 ms 82 ms www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]

Trace complete.

Bang on 10pm this happens.

Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  . [192.168.1.1]
  2   235 ms    80 ms   120 ms  lo1.ras1.nct.orcon.net.nz [60.234.8.201]
  3   148 ms   165 ms   173 ms  xe-1-0-0.cre2.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.14]
  4   247 ms   214 ms   221 ms  121.98.9.146
  5   413 ms   452 ms   255 ms  ge-0-1-0-598.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.1
]
  6   239 ms   294 ms   263 ms  GOOGLE-GW.cre1.eqx.orcon.net.nz [121.98.104.2]
  7   165 ms   160 ms   199 ms  66.249.95.232
  8   163 ms   192 ms   197 ms  64.233.174.242
  9   313 ms   165 ms   175 ms  www.l.google.com [66.102.11.104]

Trace complete.

BTW duncan, still haven't got that call from Orcon.

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  Reply # 382643 21-Sep-2010 12:17
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My main concern (even though I've moved on) is that this thread is very old - April 2nd to September 21st, 2010.

That's approximately 6 months. Just wow.

And to be honest it all looks related to the same/similar issue. Am I correct?  If so, the evidence shows there are issues NOT being resolved.

Please for the love of {insert deity here}, end this suffering for those that remain!

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  Reply # 383307 22-Sep-2010 19:02
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Fix this crap internet, youtube is taking freeaking 15 - 20 mins to load a 2min video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  Reply # 383402 23-Sep-2010 01:21
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Daylo: My main concern (even though I've moved on) is that this thread is very old - April 2nd to September 21st, 2010.

That's approximately 6 months. Just wow.

And to be honest it all looks related to the same/similar issue. Am I correct?  If so, the evidence shows there are issues NOT being resolved.

Please for the love of {insert deity here}, end this suffering for those that remain!


Note: This may not be factually accurate but it's my best guess for why Orcon is so slow.

Any Orcon connection that is not an Orcon+ LLU connection is provided over a regulated Telecom wholesale service.  So Orcon pays Telecom for use of their adsl port, the backhaul from the exchange/cabinet to their handover point at rates set by the ComCom.

Many cabinets and exchanges have been upgraded and have fibre backhaul now so the problem has moved further down the chain to the handover links from Telecom wholesale to the ISP.

It came out awhile back that the standard provisioning for handover links are 48kbit per subscriber, so if we make up some example numbers and say Orcon have 50,000 customers they might have a ~2.2Gbit/s handover link from Telecom wholesale to them for ADSL traffic.

This works fine if your customer demographics are a mix of low and high usage users, not all are active at the same.  However Orcon (imo) has a demographics problem in that is has lots of high usage active customers and not many grandma and grandpa type users like Telstara and Telecom retail do.

Many heavy users on a shared link = congestion.

It's hard to see anything changing significantlyy unless Orcon can pay more for higher handover link rates or Telecom wholesale decide to increase the "standard" rate per subscriber which they already did once this year.

.. like I said this is probably not a 100% accurate description of the problem but I think it's probably pretty close given that Sounddude has said they have plenty of international capacity available.



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  Reply # 383453 23-Sep-2010 08:57
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It's hard to see anything changing significantlyy unless Orcon can pay more for higher handover link rates or Telecom wholesale decide to increase the "standard" rate per subscriber which they already did once this year.


My only problem with that argument is that I'm on a Orcon+ connection -- which has a backhaul with a 100kbps per custromer handover link. And I still have issues accessing YouTube and other bandwidth intensive sites. If your argument regarding the Telecom network was valid, I would not be seeing those issues.

And indeed I'm seeing pretty good speeds to domestic sites most of the time, it's just international sites that I have issues with. And these same sites work as expected on Telecom connections.

Ergo the issue is with Orcon's international bandwidth -- which is affecting all Orcon customes (whether or not they are served over a Telecom or LLU connection). From this thread it seems that Orcon also has localized issues -- some of which has already been resolved by the Orcon reps in this thread.

However the International bandwidth issue remains. One can blame Telecom all they like, like the quoted poster, but at the end of the day the bottleneck isn't in the ADSL network for many Orcon customers. The fact I can get 14mbits to domestic sites proves that the last mile ADSL segment isn't constrained.

- James

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  Reply # 383690 23-Sep-2010 16:42
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Soundude gave a plausible explanation for the difference in national and international speed due to the affect handover congestion and latency on tcp/ip connections.

I wonder if the same handover link congestion problem is affecting Orcon+. Along the way there must be a handover from FX Networks, Vector or whoever they are using to Orcon for + links.

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  Reply # 383753 23-Sep-2010 19:11
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Ragnor: Soundude gave a plausible explanation for the difference in national and international speed due to the affect handover congestion and latency on tcp/ip connections.

I wonder if the same handover link congestion problem is affecting Orcon+. Along the way there must be a handover from FX Networks, Vector or whoever they are using to Orcon for + links.


My counter argument is that there are several other providers don't suffer from the same issues to the extent that Orcon does -- despite having to provide services via the same channels as them. E.g. Vodafone also uses Vector in many, if not all, exchanges for their LLU network and most other ISPs (such as Maxnet who have been cited in this thread as providing a reliable service) use Telecom Wholesale. When Orcon is the only one suffering from some the issues described in this thread, it suggests a problem in their own network...

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My counter argument is that there are several other providers don't suffer from the same issues to the extent that Orcon does -- despite having to provide services via the same channels as them. E.g. Vodafone also uses Vector in many, if not all, exchanges for their LLU network and most other ISPs (such as Maxnet who have been cited in this thread as providing a reliable service) use Telecom Wholesale. When Orcon is the only one suffering from some the issues described in this thread, it suggests a problem in their own network...

- James


While every provider has the same restrictions, each isp have different plans and different customer demographics.

We don't have any congestion on our LLU network. We have a ton of unused backhaul

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