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  Reply # 433843 1-Feb-2011 18:37
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Given that APNIC will have definetly run out of /8 v4 space by end of the year, after they've burnt through that, they'll get the last /8, which each organisation only gets a /22 of (That's 1024 address) and THATS IT.

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  Reply # 433857 1-Feb-2011 18:58
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kyhwana2: Given that APNIC will have definetly run out of /8 v4 space by end of the year, after they've burnt through that, they'll get the last /8, which each organisation only gets a /22 of (That's 1024 address) and THATS IT.


Actually, that's wrong, their estimation is that these two /8's will be used within several months, but the last /8 is expected to last ~5 years (according to their announcement anyway), in addition there will be companies that go bust/downsizing/etc, and no longer need some/all of their IPv4 allocations, so they can be transferred around as needed, and in addition, they have some IP ranges that haven't been assigned (reserved for a project that I believe never got off the ground) that could be returned to the normal pool by a resolution.

So there will be some room for assignments over the next couple of years, but it definitely will not be enough for the growth of the internet as we've seen it, hence why I asked for the thread to be unlocked again, to find out what Orcon is doing now w/ IPv6 and ADSL/etc.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 433860 1-Feb-2011 19:03
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nigelj:
Actually, that's wrong, their estimation is that these two /8's will be used within several months, but the last /8 is expected to last ~5 years (according to their announcement anyway


Nope, you're wrong. That last /8 has a strict allocation policy. (That's why it will last ~5 years)

Each APNIC account holder will be eligible to request and receive a single allocation from the remaining /8 worth of space, with the following conditions:


  1. Each allocation will consist of the minimum IPv4 allocation size

  2. The account holder must meet the criteria for receiving an IPv4 allocation specified in one of the following sections of this policy document:

    • 9.3 Criteria for initial allocation

    • 9.4 Criteria for subsequent allocations




All APNIC account holders are eligible to receive only one allocation from the final /8 worth of address space. This applies to both current and future account holders.


See http://www.apnic.net/policy/add-manage-policy#9.10

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  Reply # 434688 3-Feb-2011 10:18
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Even then, China is a vast and fast growing market which could still theoretically eat that entire /8 in less than a couple of months (remember, APNIC stands for Asia Pacific NIC).

nigelj: With the recent announcement that APNIC have now triggered the last assignments of IPv4 space, and have indicated in several parts of their announcement, that the bulk of remaining IP addresses won't last long (several months, while the last /8 will be split into smallish chunks lasting a couple of years)) and are hence saying that the priority is now to move onto IPv6...

What's the current (updated) status of Orcon IPv6/DSL deployment.  Looking at it, IPv6 for Colo seems pretty much standard (based on recent posts here) but IPv6 for ADSL based customers is a little bit more secretive.

From what I can tell, CPE wise, there is a lot more than previously mentioned that support IPv6, and Dynalink seem to have a few updated firmware images in the making.  So what can a Orcon ADSL customer expect in the near future?


I contacted Orcon about this yesterday, and the word from the guy who replied to my ticket is that Orcon plans to roll out IPv6 to consumers in the "near future" and that at this point we should be watching their website for more info (no confirmed dates yet).  The response also indicated that Orcon does intend to provide upgrades for any equipment they provide to ensure you're IPv6 ready. 

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  Reply # 437668 10-Feb-2011 10:52
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Sounddude: We have IPv6 in our core and are trialing it to the DSL network currently.

Not many CPEs support PPPoA IPv6 which has slowed things down.


I'm in Hamilton central, if I switch over to your ULL+Naked Purple+ plan, can you get me on that trial? That's the one real thing holding me back.

I have a cisco 877 that is currently doing v6 on xnet.

(well, besides performance issues. What kind of backhaul do you have from Hamilton back to auckland? PM if you don't want that "public" :P) 

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  Reply # 437670 10-Feb-2011 11:00
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I can tell you now, Orcon definately are in no way ready for IPv6 deployment. I have been waiting for 2 weeks for my assignments for fibre connection and at colocation at their DC. They gave me a range at the DC but whoever did it screwed the subnetting up and I haven't heard back. Nothing at all for our fibre connection.

We are paying them $2k per month and they still can't sort their sh!t out even in their own datacenter with us being directly connected to their core then I won't hold my breath on DSL. 





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  Reply # 437700 10-Feb-2011 12:25
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Zeon: I can tell you now, Orcon definately are in no way ready for IPv6 deployment. I..


We are paying them $2k per month and they still can't sort their sh!t out even in their own datacenter with us being directly connected to their core then I won't hold my breath on DSL. 


That doesn't sound promising :(
 

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  Reply # 443873 27-Feb-2011 14:11
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So can someone summarise here... if I'm looking to purchase an adsl router right now, should it be;

(a) one that supports ipv6 right now (which?)
(b) one that will be upgradable to ipv6?
(c) just get ipv4 for now and upgrade or replace in few years when there is a real need and/or Orcon supports ipv6.


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  Reply # 443907 27-Feb-2011 16:54
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From what I have seen I think Orcon have put IPv6 on the backburner, after more than a month they still haven't provisioned me with my ranges yet even though it was "3 days max" from the 24th of Jan... If I were you I would get a native IPv6 ready router and a seperate modem that does full bridging like the Draytek Vigor 120.





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  Reply # 443990 28-Feb-2011 01:04
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The consumer end will likely be the last part upgraded... large ISP's have to deal with upgrading their core network, billing systems and so on first.


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