Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8
3889 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 164


  Reply # 591912 7-Mar-2012 19:11
Send private message

codyc1515:  No it means that incumbents keep raking it in, e.g. no regional WISPs were selected for instance.


I think the future is very rosy for WISPs and consumers.





Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


3759 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2275

Trusted
Spark NZ

  Reply # 591915 7-Mar-2012 19:23
Send private message

DonGould:
Talkiet:  I'm at the wrong end of a 90metre sealed driveway... You're personal opinion is that someone else should pay for that to be dug up and have fibre laid? Man, I'd vote for you if you can present a business case that makes that work!!!


I thought the whole idea of this UFB thing was to use state funds to ensure every home got service and cover out some of these sorts of issues.

I'm in a block where I'll need 1m of trench.  Does this mean I get a credit paid to me on my tax and telco bill because I'm going to need much less than the average?


Nope, you have an incorrect interpretation of a general principle.

Instead of a 90metre driveway, let's imagine I'm in deep, dark Fiordland, and would require $2million of network build to service me as a UFB customer.

Clearly, that is a case where you wouldn't expect the pool of money to cover it.

At the other end of the scale, we have a house, in a city, right beside the cabinet, and only needing a small aerial span or a couple of metres of trench through perfect ground and no seal or anything. Clearly that's acceptable.

Somewhere in the middle there is a crossover point where the cost to connect a certain number of people can't be justified to be funded without assistance from those customers...

If you read the documents on the CFH site, you will find that there are documented guides on a per LFC basis. They are worth a read.

Cheers - N



 
 
 
 


3889 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 164


  Reply # 591920 7-Mar-2012 19:37
Send private message

Talkiet: If you read the documents on the CFH site, you will find that there are documented guides on a per LFC basis. They are worth a read.


pfft.... I could spend all day reading that rubbish.  I'll leave that for high paid policy analysts in Wellington to do.

As far as I'm concerned, as a tax payer, we're paying a massive whack of public money to have our copper replaced with fibre.

The LFC's and CFH either get the fibre to 75% of homes or they simply haven't delivered on the spirit of what we voted for as far as I'm concerned.






Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


1598 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 591921 7-Mar-2012 19:41
Send private message

DonGould:
Talkiet: If you read the documents on the CFH site, you will find that there are documented guides on a per LFC basis. They are worth a read.


pfft.... I could spend all day reading that rubbish.  I'll leave that for high paid policy analysts in Wellington to do.

As far as I'm concerned, as a tax payer, we're paying a massive whack of public money to have our copper replaced with fibre.

The LFC's and CFH either get the fibre to 75% of homes or they simply haven't delivered on the spirit of what we voted for as far as I'm concerned.



Why should the 100% have to pay for the less than 100% that will get the UFB rollout? You are in the 99%.

3759 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2275

Trusted
Spark NZ

  Reply # 591922 7-Mar-2012 19:41
Send private message

DonGould:
pfft.... I could spend all day reading that rubbish.  I'll leave that for high paid policy analysts in Wellington to do.

As far as I'm concerned, as a tax payer, we're paying a massive whack of public money to have our copper replaced with fibre.

The LFC's and CFH either get the fibre to 75% of homes or they simply haven't delivered on the spirit of what we voted for as far as I'm concerned.


Seriously? You're on here, trying to argue some complex topics and you haven't even read any the relevant, available, official documents?

It's going to make presenting a case you will understand difficult.

Cheers - N

3889 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 164


  Reply # 591924 7-Mar-2012 19:45
Send private message

codyc1515: Why should the 100% have to pay for the less than 100% that will get the UFB rollout? You are in the 99%.


Codyc I have no idea what you're on about this time sorry.  Can you explain?





Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


1598 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 591925 7-Mar-2012 19:47
Send private message

DonGould:
codyc1515: Why should the 100% have to pay for the less than 100% that will get the UFB rollout? You are in the 99%.


Codyc I have no idea what you're on about this time sorry.  Can you explain?


As a "tax payer" I would have to pay for you all you 99 percenters to get your "ultra fast" broadband when I will quite likely never get it myself.

3889 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 164


  Reply # 591926 7-Mar-2012 19:49
Send private message

Talkiet: Seriously?


Yes Neil, I'm quite serious.

As far as I am concerned, the National party put a pledge that 75% of homes would get fibre subject to a $1.5b injection of tax payer funds. 

It really is quite simple as far as I'm concerned.

CFH can colour it up how ever they like with any number of documents.

If you're on the end of a 90m drive way, well I'm sorry, as far as I'm concerned that is exactly the sort of case that the state funding was pledge to cover.

You many not agree.  That's ok. 

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't get fibre at your place because of your 90m then I feel I've been mislead.






Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


3889 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 164


  Reply # 591930 7-Mar-2012 19:51
Send private message

codyc1515:  As a "tax payer" I would have to pay for you all you 99 percenters to get your "ultra fast" broadband when I will quite likely never get it myself.


Sorry, you're still not making any sense at all to me.

As far as I'm aware, 75% of homes are getting UFB, the rest are getting RBI.

That's 100%.




Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


1598 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 591931 7-Mar-2012 19:54
Send private message

DonGould:
codyc1515:  As a "tax payer" I would have to pay for you all you 99 percenters to get your "ultra fast" broadband when I will quite likely never get it myself.


Sorry, you're still not making any sense at all to me.

As far as I'm aware, 75% of homes are getting UFB, the rest are getting RBI.

That's 100%.

Thats 100% rubbish. I will not get UFB and RBI is simply not available here. 

3889 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 164


  Reply # 591933 7-Mar-2012 19:58
Send private message

codyc1515: Thats 100% rubbish. I will not get UFB and RBI is simply not available here. 


Totally off topic, so if you want to create a thread on un-serviced areas then pm me the link and I'll join.

D





Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


6362 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 317

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 591934 7-Mar-2012 20:04
Send private message

I think the story various contributors are trying to point out here...... is that the Guvment has paid for a rollout, that only makes it part of the way, ie to your local school and if your lucky down your street, but not to your house.

But the real catch is the guvment body who has commissioned all this has not really done the the numbers or preferred to put on Rose tinted glasses (I like Rose' too) about the business case for fibre broadband.

In the past few days in my job I have dealt with a number of small schools, the RBI has recently delivered fibre to them, but the plan on offer would make you choke with amazement, might work for a big or large school, but the small rural schools in these instances will end up putting up with substandard Conklin sourced DSL for a few years yet.

Progress!!!! naaaaah

Cyril

2030 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 172

Trusted

  Reply # 591963 7-Mar-2012 20:46
Send private message

Hmm. well I'm with orcon at the moment and I'm not going to be covered by UFB, but I'm also not going to be covered by RBI as I have ADSL2. So what's my options (other than ADSL2 which doesn't provide fast enough upload speeds for work).




Generally known online as OpenMedia, now working for Red Hat New Zealand as a Solution Architect for all things Linux, Virtual and of course Cloud. Still playing with MythTV and digital media on the side.

998 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 168

UberGroup

  Reply # 591967 7-Mar-2012 20:50
Send private message

Wow this thread turned into a trainwreck in record time




Most problems are the result of previous solutions...

All comment's I make are my own personal opinion and do not in any way, shape or form reflect the views of current or former employers unless specifically stated 

6434 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1571


  Reply # 591970 7-Mar-2012 20:52
Send private message

openmedia: Hmm. well I'm with orcon at the moment and I'm not going to be covered by UFB, but I'm also not going to be covered by RBI as I have ADSL2. So what's my options (other than ADSL2 which doesn't provide fast enough upload speeds for work).


possibly VDSL2, although if you aren't covered by UFB, then you probably won't be covered by VDSL either

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.