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  Reply # 592588 8-Mar-2012 23:56
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Snackos:
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dpf81: maybe im being blind but i dont see any ethernet WAN port on my genius


Theyll likely use a different device, they are using the term genius as a brand, rather than a specific device


On the page with the plans the picture looks exactly like the current "Genius" router 


I think that when they bring in a technician to extend the fibre from the street to your house, there will be a secondary termination point then to an optical terminal point, where it gets converted to ethernet which you plug into your router maybe? 

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  Reply # 592589 9-Mar-2012 00:01
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Snackos: Why the ridiculous jump from 100GB to 1000GB??

Can't we have something around 250GB?


A 250GB plan would have been a decent idea, Personally I would favor something around 500GB, Although for a while now Orcon have had their plans scaling in size in fairly strange sizes so perhaps we can expect some form of logic from another ISP's plans in future.

dpf81: maybe im being blind but i dont see any ethernet WAN port on my genius


They could be using the same device if it has an internal setting to allow use one of the Ethernet ports as WAN, Although I suppose that would depend on any other equipment used as well as authentication types, etc.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 592604 9-Mar-2012 04:35
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lucky015:
Snackos: Why the ridiculous jump from 100GB to 1000GB??

Can't we have something around 250GB?


A 250GB plan would have been a decent idea, Personally I would favor something around 500GB, Although for a while now Orcon have had their plans scaling in size in fairly strange sizes so perhaps we can expect some form of logic from another ISP's plans in future.

dpf81: maybe im being blind but i dont see any ethernet WAN port on my genius


They could be using the same device if it has an internal setting to allow use one of the Ethernet ports as WAN, Although I suppose that would depend on any other equipment used as well as authentication types, etc.


Correct.
The current device allows you to configure one of the ports as a WAN port.

There is a firmware change to support UFB though.

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  Reply # 592617 9-Mar-2012 07:25
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Snackos:
nickb800:
dpf81: maybe im being blind but i dont see any ethernet WAN port on my genius


Theyll likely use a different device, they are using the term genius as a brand, rather than a specific device


On the page with the plans the picture looks exactly like the current "Genius" router 


That's because it is the Genius router. This device supports both DSL and Ethernet WAN.

When fibre is installed to your house an ONT is fitted to convert the fibre to Ethernet. It's then up to the RSP and ISP to configure the 4 Ethernet ports and 2 phone ports on the ONT as required. A typical install will be the installation of an Ethernet/WiFi router into one of the ports of the router. For phones the ISP can choose to use the ONT's onboard ports of those on a router such as Genius, it's really just going to depend on what direction they want to take for provisioning and support.

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  Reply # 592858 9-Mar-2012 17:57
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How long do you think it'll take to reach my place ...... I'm picking between 5 and 10 yrs


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  Reply # 592860 9-Mar-2012 18:04
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Athlonite:
How long do you think it'll take to reach my place ...... I'm picking between 5 and 10 yrs



You're a perfect candidate for a wireless link from a home that does have it, over the back fence to you.





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  Reply # 592866 9-Mar-2012 18:19
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Athlonite:
How long do you think it'll take to reach my place ...... I'm picking between 5 and 10 yrs



I've noticed UFB cabinets/areas/etc and dates appearing on Service Availability Tool recently, Worth taking a look.

http://bcc.telecomwholesale.co.nz/

My upgrade is supposed to be September 2012 so I'm looking forward to that and will be ordering my connection about a half a second after It becomes available to me, Depending on what ends up differentiating the companies offers I may however end up with a different ISP however the plans from Orcon are making things look very good.

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  Reply # 592875 9-Mar-2012 18:57
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@ Don Gould there's an expressway between me or my neighbors over the back fence and that's basically where it stops.... the area on the right is Onekawa Industrial area and I'd have to say knowing what businesses are there only 10% of them would make use of UFB the rest could quite happily stay on ADSL2+

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  Reply # 593073 10-Mar-2012 03:29
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Athlonite: @ Don Gould there's an expressway between me or my neighbors over the back fence and that's basically where it stops.... the area on the right is Onekawa Industrial area and I'd have to say knowing what businesses are there only 10% of them would make use of UFB the rest could quite happily stay on ADSL2+


Good point, Upgrades to Business areas are well and good but a number of business's will be perfectly content to use lower cost ADSL services and won't see a need for the upgrade, The residential areas will probably be what will benefit the most, People working from home, Etc rather than large offices which can already afford large scale connections with their massive install prices.

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  Reply # 593088 10-Mar-2012 08:28
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The UFB maps for my town show that the earliest areas to get fibre are ones that already have access to VDSL2. Meanwhile other parts of town that only have relatively slow ADSL2+, and no VDSL2 at all, don't yet have an announced upgrade date. It boggles the mind really!

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  Reply # 593125 10-Mar-2012 11:09
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Behodar: The UFB maps for my town show that the earliest areas to get fibre are ones that already have access to VDSL2. Meanwhile other parts of town that only have relatively slow ADSL2+, and no VDSL2 at all, don't yet have an announced upgrade date. It boggles the mind really!

This to me is the stupidly. The fast get faster and the slow get nothing.

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  Reply # 593193 10-Mar-2012 13:19
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It's the low hanging fruit, they are contracted to cover a percentage of nz, so...

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  Reply # 593195 10-Mar-2012 13:21
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Right, but they'll cover the same percentage if they start at the "slow end" and work in the other direction.

Edit: I'm not suggesting that they cover tiny villages, etc. I mean that the same towns and cities already chosen for 75% coverage would still get it, but that the LFCs should begin by focussing on areas within that 75% that currently do not have access to VDSL2.

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  Reply # 593246 10-Mar-2012 16:10
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Rolling out fibre to the premises (homes, business, school, hospitals etc) is not magic and will take time.  

People had the same unrealistic expectations and unwarranted self importance with the fibre to the node cabinet deployment process by Chorus.

"why isn't my area first"



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  Reply # 593350 10-Mar-2012 20:46
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Behodar: Right, but they'll cover the same percentage if they start at the "slow end" and work in the other direction.

Edit: I'm not suggesting that they cover tiny villages, etc. I mean that the same towns and cities already chosen for 75% coverage would still get it, but that the LFCs should begin by focussing on areas within that 75% that currently do not have access to VDSL2.


I imagine the logic behind the roll-out is the idea of starting with the highest density areas first, Where one cabinet connected means a lot more potential customers from the start, Also the speed the fibre can be laid at is a certain distance per hour meaning more densely populated areas mean more houses connected in the same period of time.

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