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  # 1275582 1-Apr-2015 18:02
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richms: I think its the wrong direction. We were looking like fully ethernet delivered content.

If you want fully ethernet delivered content then can't you simply use the existing on-demand services? I mean the broadcaster services (eg. TVNZ OnDemand) as well as other stand-alone services (eg. NetFlix).

richms: Then this comes along which needs a broadcast carrier signal be piped to the TV inorder to initiate this.

Well, with HbbTV the degree of "need" for the "broadcast carrier signal" varies from application to application. Some applications may simply be a link to an internet address that any old internet-connected device can access. In those cases there isn't much need for the broadcast carrier signal at all.

At the other end of the spectrum it is possible to have applications which use data that is delivered by a broadcast carousel, and/or refer to broadcast services ("channels"), and/or are meant to activate at particular time(s) in a broadcast program (ie. a "second screen" or interactive application). These applications are enhancements for the broadcast service. They don't make much sense as stand-alone applications. Therefore it makes sense that they're "linked" to the broadcast carrier signal.

richms: Perhaps if you can put a URL into a TV/Stb that is online but not connected to a piece of wire to the roof and get the same access to content then it would be passable, but IMO the model of apps delivered over the internet is a better one other than the guide being split up.

I have the feeling that HbbTV (FreeviewPlus) isn't intended to address/solve the short-comings you are thinking of.
What do you mean by "guide being split up"?
...and when you say "...model of apps delivered over the internet is a better one...": better for who and/or which scenarios?

richms: If each app was able to deliver its guide data to the freeview EPG, or they collated it into a single app that then would spawn the broadcasters app when you choose a program it would be better IMO.

I don't think any of us know exactly how FreeviewPlus will look and function. The service isn't live yet. As far as I know they're still implementing it. Who's to say it won't work like you describe?

Disrespective: You're right, that does sound like a much better option. Essentially all that Freeview becomes is an EPG provider, and maybe a channel streaming service for smaller channels, at which point it would surely become a paid service due to bandwidth requirements over the internet for the channel streaming. I have no idea how much they paid for the TV spectrum and other ongoing costs so it might come out cost neutral to stream rather than broadcast.

Freeview is and has always been similar to what you've described as an "EPG provider". They're a brand. Loosely: a co-operative that has agreed on standard broadcasting formats, conventions etc. (including EPG etc.) for the advancement of free-to-air digital TV and radio in NZ. They didn't pay anything for TV spectrum, and they don't have anything to do with the transmission control. Channel/content owners have to sort out their own transmission. In practice that usually involves a contract with a company like Kordia or JDA who [I think] do own spectrum rights.

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  # 1276707 3-Apr-2015 13:08
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Behodar: A little off topic, but does anyone know whether there are plans to broadcast "normal" (linear) Freeview over UFB? I have very weak Freeview HD coverage but have a (non-Vodafone) UFB connection that could theoretically be harnessed for TV, and there are probably other people in the same situation.


Yes it's available now via Vodafone TV:  http://www.vodafone.co.nz/tv/vodafone-tv/

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t's running over our UFB Multicast service which is available to all providers.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1283367 15-Apr-2015 00:27
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joshhill96:
richms:
joshhill96: FreeviewPlus isn't an app, you use your remote control to control everything on screen..


Does it need an antenna connection to get it started or is it fully online?


Ah, You will need to be in the Freeview|HD coverage area in order to receive FreeviewPlus



So, another service only for our lucky city cousins?
And of course you can't record OnDemand TV before it disappears can you?

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  # 1284434 15-Apr-2015 08:49
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 Cliffsi: 


So, another service only for our lucky city cousins?

At this stage the launch will be on Freeview HD

And of course you can't record OnDemand TV before it disappears can you?

Ondemand TV cannot be recorded, as its already a recorded services available online 




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  # 1285791 16-Apr-2015 18:37
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Cliffsi: And of course you can't record OnDemand TV before it disappears can you?


You probably could. Not something I have looked into, but with appropriate hardware between a STB and a TV it should, in theory, be trivial.

However, given that the material has already been recorded and is available on demand, there wouldn't seem to be a great deal of point in doing so?

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  # 1285853 16-Apr-2015 21:12
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JimmyH:
Cliffsi: And of course you can't record OnDemand TV before it disappears can you?


You probably could. Not something I have looked into, but with appropriate hardware between a STB and a TV it should, in theory, be trivial.

However, given that the material has already been recorded and is available on demand, there wouldn't seem to be a great deal of point in doing so?


Only to watch later at your convenience.  From what I've seen Ondemand programmes are generally only available for a week or two.
And yes, I believe there are screen capture programs around, but quality weems to be an issue with them.

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  # 1285872 16-Apr-2015 21:34
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Cliffsi:
Only to watch later at your convenience.  From what I've seen Ondemand programmes are generally only available for a week or two.


Symptom of the current distribution model. It will get solved soon enough.




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  # 1285895 16-Apr-2015 22:10
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Cliffsi:
JimmyH:
Cliffsi: And of course you can't record OnDemand TV before it disappears can you?


You probably could. Not something I have looked into, but with appropriate hardware between a STB and a TV it should, in theory, be trivial.

However, given that the material has already been recorded and is available on demand, there wouldn't seem to be a great deal of point in doing so?


Only to watch later at your convenience.  From what I've seen Ondemand programmes are generally only available for a week or two.
And yes, I believe there are screen capture programs around, but quality weems to be an issue with them.


I was thinking hardware, not screen capture. Definitely possible to capture over HDMI. I looked into it when I was contemplating a HTPC build around 18 or so months ago and read up on how to do it, but decided it wasn't worth the hassle so never took it any further.

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  # 1288119 20-Apr-2015 21:41
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Freeview is advertising FreeviewPlus on their web site now
http://www.freeviewnz.tv/freeviewplus 

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  # 1288169 21-Apr-2015 00:57
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I wonder when we find out if our devices are compatible. I'm very hopeful my brand new Panasonic PVR will be, considering it was the top model in their range.




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  # 1288394 21-Apr-2015 12:07
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littleheaven: I wonder when we find out if our devices are compatible. I'm very hopeful my brand new Panasonic PVR will be, considering it was the top model in their range.

You can check if your device(s) support HbbTV. If they do, there's a good chance FreeviewPlus could be supported. No guarantees, of course.

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  # 1288408 21-Apr-2015 12:12
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littleheaven: I wonder when we find out if our devices are compatible. I'm very hopeful my brand new Panasonic PVR will be, considering it was the top model in their range.


I would suggest looking into your manual or the Menu Settings for HbbTV 




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  # 1288634 21-Apr-2015 16:05
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joshhill96:
littleheaven: I wonder when we find out if our devices are compatible. I'm very hopeful my brand new Panasonic PVR will be, considering it was the top model in their range.


I would suggest looking into your manual or the Menu Settings for HbbTV 


I've checked the manual and no mention, but then Panasonic's entire NZ site has no mention of Freeview Plus or HbbTV anywhere on it, including the in-depth specs pages. My model is DMR-BWT840, which is supposed to be their top-end model (or it was when I bought it a month or so back). Interestingly an online search says that BWT740 (which appears to be the exact same machine selling under a different code in Australia) has it, as does the cheaper XW440. I guess I'll have to wait and see. Panasonic pushed out an update to those models in Australia when they got Freeview plus, per this article: http://www.cnet.com/au/news/panasonic-brings-hbbtv-to-blu-ray-and-dvd-recorders/ Maybe we'll get the same here in NZ when the time comes.




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