rizzo: as stated earlier, V4.1031; V1.05 is exactly the version I am running with hardly any issues.....interesting......wonder if mine was from a 'good batch'... ha ha ?!!?
smac: I keep seeing this phrase "hardly any issue". Doesn't cut it for me: if I'm going to drop a couple or few hundred on an electronic device, it had better work with no issues, or it's money back. More and more this approach seems to be seen as "asking too much" which I find truely bizarre.
smac: Gotta disgree a little here. I would also class myself as an 'early adopter'. My belief in getting what you pay for is not mainstream or otherwise, it comes from being a consumer.
When a process is bleeding edge or in early development, then that's what beta releases and limited scale releases are for, targeted user reviews etc etc As soon as somebody packages a product for retail, sticks their brand on it and says "please pay me money to own this" then no, it is not a trial, it is the final product. It may get better over time, but it sure as hell better do what it was designed to do. The consumer market, complete with mainstream big scale marketing campains is NOT the place for product testing and development.
I am involved in a very large scale and high profile software development enterprise and if we used the production environment for testing purposes we'd be down the road faster than you can say "working as intended".
If you (or anyone else here) choose to be ok with being consumer guinea pigs then that's your choice obviously. However if you do so then I think you should expect very little in the way of "rights" when it comes to the manufacturer's responsiveness. If they have stuck a sub-standard product on the shelf, and you've bought it, and rather than demanding it work you're saying "it's OK, keep my money, but please listen to my feedback on your product and improve it". This is a very mixed message to be giving them. In fact there is no message (to the supplier)....you are dealing with an importer who may or may not have a direct relationship with the actual supplier. A missed release date given to you by a reseller can not be seen as a committment by the supplier. Who knows if they're working on PVR? Who knows if they had anything to do with those earlier dates given? Firstly the importer should be quite clearly stating "the supplier is saying it will be ready by...." not "we will have it ready by....". However secondly, the supplier should not be held accountable for anything the reseller has promised. Who knows whether any of the feedback being given to the importer is actually going to the supplier?
All these points are just examples of why it's a really messy situation, and why I, as a consumer, expect goods I purchase to work as intended, without exception. As soon as you make 'early adoption' a reason for a sliding scale of acceptability, things get very murky. If there are issues with the product, I really hope they get sorted, (and I do applaud the efforts being made here). Hell I may well buy one yet! But if it don't work, it won't be living with me for long
DVB-T has been on air since April 2008. 11 months now.
The ET box has been on sale since July? 08 (when this thread was started) 7 Months now.
7 months is more then enough of a time frame to fix these few problems the ET box has.
Thankfully I don't have The rebooting problem some people have complained of &
I can’t comment on the optical out problem since my amp doesn’t have it.
BUT I do have
1) The box freezing up once or twice a week,
2) The clock still lose's time (which was supposed to fixed in the last firmware upgrade)
3) Random two channel jump when using ch + or ch - on the remote.
4) Picture always goes to Full Screen after using the EPG. (I have stopped using the EPG because of this)
I was showing a friend on Saturday how clear the picture was with the ET box & my LCD TV compared to the analogue
Picture he has on his LCD & guess what, it froze while changing channel. The banner came up but it didn’t change the channel. Had to do a full reboot. His comment was Great picture, but I WON'T be getting one if that happens a couple times a week.
I have not & will not recommend one of these Boxes's while it STILL has these on going problems.
As I said After at least 7 months on the market These problems should have been fixed by now!
How can you trust the pvr to record a program (let a lone a whole series) when it can't even keep the correct time &
Randomly freeze's up.
Come on Pete, please get it sorted.
Come on Pete, please get it sorted.
I haven't actually managed to find a full description of the clock fault, however (depending on what it's doing) it won't necessarily be possible to fix with a software upgrade.......
I'd have to say that as far as I am concerned - the clock is the only thing that has been fixed!
I still get lots of pixelation and box lockups, box crashes when going into the guide etc - But the clock has been fine (unless the box spontaneously reboots and looses the time). I would suspect maybe its not the software thats at fault in this case.
You can probably test it - Put the box into standby. Monitor it periodically for around an hour. If the clock is still accurate, then the 'recent' firmware update has fixed the clock issue - because it certainly went significantly out of whack in an hour before that update.
If the box reboots the clock restarts from 12.00 until you turn it on and it gets the time (apparently) from the menu feed.
Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself - A. H. Weiler
Clock has improved on mine, but leave it on standby for a longer period of time and it still wanders.
To comment on the massive comments above, I think the ET was a less polished option we were prepared to investigate initially as the only alternative was the Zinwell at $499+ with the ET at $299. On sale the DSE is now $249 - $299 with hdmi cable, so I think the market has changed now and these initial issues with the ET are no longer acceptable. They need to be addressed, -if it is possible/ie software issues.
If indeed the problems are signal related, this simply means that the ET can not handle a signal that other units can work with. Taking the unit anywhere for testing is hard too, because most of the problems go away when you turn it off. If your aerial/cable setup is not sufficient for this unit, is that your problem really when another unit could function ok with it. Any cost savings in the unit are quickly lost if you have to replace your infrastructure.
I don't think freeview got rushed to market too soon, sbiddle has been running his pc solution right from the start. Possibly units got sold to the public too soon, but with the ability to offer updates this is not that bad either, assuming the updates come in a timely manor and do actually fix issues correctly.
I use my ET every day and any pixelation/repeat screens/channel banner freezes etc are corrected by a reboot. I only use the 5.1 output for TV3 shows and suffer very few dropouts on this, though all other channels suffer worse dropouts. I like the picture and remember the price at the time, but I don't recommend it to others anymore. This may change if these issues are fixed and the PVR ability actually arrives and is any good.
broozm: So all I'm missing (worth mentioning) is 6 and 7, the epg, and the promise of PVR. Perhaps we should've waited a bit longer - but then one can always wait for cheaper, better, faster and never try it..In one sense the most significant thing you are missing by going back to analogue is 16:9 aspect ratio broadcasts.