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Talkiet: Sony didn't deliberately take steps to accelerate the demise of the TVs...
Consumer pull required they put "HD Ready" TVs on the market, and at that point in time, that meant component input.....
The problem however was that the industry rights holders got all upset at the analog hole which would effectively circumvent all the lovely anti-copy protections they were/are clinging to, and successfully managed to get the entire content producing industry to agree to restrictions on the analogue interfaces - namely the downscaling proposal.
It's simply unreasonable to expect a manufacturer to guarantee you that future protocols or standards will be supported. The TV you bought is perfectly capable of displaying HD material. You're upset that it won't display all HD material
you didn't due your due diligence on the set when you bought it (in 2006?).
How is it Sony's fault you didn't read the specs well enough?
Hinko:Nety: although it does now seem to be fairly safe to consider a HD ready TV to be able to do 720p/1080i
That would be nice if it actually displayed it!
Hinko:Nety: (note 1080i can still only use 720 lines)
Where does this come from?
Hinko: [snip]
When I read the manual (or indeed any Sony promotional literature) I cannot find any reference to say:
1) That the TV HD overscans and effectively ony displays 81% of the image (Pictorial examples are given for SD that also show the case for HD - with NO overscanning)
2) That the HD overscanning cannot be turned off
3) That Sony is involved in producing technology that will downscale HD images to SD images that will effect this TV.
4) The TV's maximium resolution is limited to 625 horizontal lines.
What was it that I did not read well enough in the specs please?
Or perhaps, might I have a point here that Sony did not detail specifications they should have and in doing so created an obligation for them to deliver what IS detailed in the manual?
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Nety:Hinko:Nety: although it does now seem to be fairly safe to consider a HD ready TV to be able to do 720p/1080i
That would be nice if it actually displayed it!
My point was current sets not the set you purchased.Hinko:Nety: (note 1080i can still only use 720 lines)
Where does this come from?
The fact that all 720p capable sets can also display 1080i. This is obviously not because they have 1080 lines but because 1080i only has half of the 1080 line information in each frame so can "fit" in a 720p display.
Talkiet: you didn't due your due diligence on the set when you bought it (in 2006?).
How is it Sony's fault you didn't read the specs well enough?
Talkiet: I would wager that today, if you connected a component HD source such as a PC with a video card like a GF6600GT with component output, that you would have an excellent HD picture. I know, buecause I had a component only 32" Sony. I used it for media centre usage and it was wonderful.
Hinko:
[snip] Sony (only recently) says this set only displays 625 lines. It does not display accepted HD (Australia possibly excepted) according to Sony's definitions.
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Talkiet seems to have also been fooled the whole time in not realising this - amongst many other trusting consumers!
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dickytim: I would like to know what exactly you want Sony to do, I understand that you feel hard done by, and can see how you get to this but is offering you 40% off a new TV not a good guesture? You have had 3 years of use of this TV which needs to be considered in any offer made to you.
It is all very well to complain here but you haven't offered a solution to your own problem yet.
What do you want Sony to do?
Talkiet: My TV was a Sony HX32. I used two video cards with it including a GF6600GT and 7600GT.
With the default settings, there was some overscan, but this was simply fixed using a combination of the service mode of the TV and the settings in the Nvidia software. Overscan is very obvious when viewing PC output as the menu bar etc are often off the screen unless this is fixed.
I'm not interested in reading the manual for your TV - I don't believe that it is required ....
you didn't due your due diligence on the set when you bought it (in 2006?).
How is it Sony's fault you didn't read the specs well enough?
Chuckle... Me, fooled the whole time? No.
HD I define as 720p or 1080(i/p)... [snip]
I may have missed something you said before - you say that Sony have recently confirmed that this model can only display 625 lines... Can you cite a source for that information?
This is a CRT TV 625 lines of resolution.
Even with DRC enabled it is NOT going to be capable of displaying 1920x1080 natively.
If a 1920 x 1080 signal is feed into this TV it will be down converted and displayed as best as is possible.
fahrenheit: The DA32 and HX32 are not HD displays. Only the 'Super fine pitch' chassis (HR36/32) are capable of resolving 1080i line for line (vertically).
Your set will never resolve HD resolutions, with or without HDMI. It is a technological cul-de-sac.
for the current amnesty -
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/03/6377.ars
"Sony is the first studio to lay out its plans for how owners of older, analog-only HD sets would be able to watch Blu-ray content. According to Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Senior VP Don Eklund, none of Sony's Blu-ray releases for the "foreseeable future" will use ICT to force downsampling."
The ICT could very well be in use right now had Sony not made this decision which everyone else has followed.
Sony's decision to not use the Image Constraint Token for the time being is meant to encourage the adoption of Blu-ray players. Launching a new product that would leave the thousands of analog HDTV owners out in the standard-definition cold could have proven to be a nightmare for Sony and the Blu-ray spec in general.
As for Sony's roll in the death of non-HDCP HDTVs, we actually have them to thank
Hinko:fahrenheit: Sony's HD CRTs were made and marketed long before HDCP was even a glint in the eye of content producers and manufacturers.
Really? Can you provide some references and dates to support your proposition please? When do you think these TV's came out? When do you think HDCP came out? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection says it was approved in the US 2004, which is much the same time these sets came out. Perhaps fahrenheit might be interested to read the reference kindly provided above by netd, which does not seem to support your proposition. Do you work for a TV industry player?
Interestingly the Sony VPL-HS3 projector manual was completed 30-07-2003, subsequently marketed in New Zealand as HD Ready and included an HDMI interface.
fahrenheit: HD Ready is a marketing term (and its European at that). Marketing isn't accurate or timeless and sometimes not even the truth.Hinko:
Ain't that the truth! Does the European reference apply in New Zealand to use of the phrase "HD Ready"?
fahrenheit:BTW, I'm a Sony KV-HR36M61 owner.Hinko: Cool. Same issues apply, do they not?
Hinko:fahrenheit: The DA32 and HX32 are not HD displays. Only the 'Super fine pitch' chassis (HR36/32) are capable of resolving 1080i line for line (vertically).
Interesting, can you provide further information to confirm this?
fahrenheit:As for Sony's roll in the death of non-HDCP HDTVs, we actually have them to thank
I am not sure that thanks are due when Sony seem to be trying to postpone and minimise consumer damage (That means Sony's sales) that Sony had a hand in creating!
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