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Ultimate Geek


  # 240480 30-Jul-2009 09:49
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Wholly Smoke Batman - There's a conspriracy!!!

Hinko - the ICT flag is nothing new. It does/will apply to HD broadcasts worldwide. I believe Sky currently use this on their content now to prevent output of a HD signal over component on certain HD channels.

The HDCP standard is designed to enforce this protection - nothing more, nothing less. It provides no other good the consumer, and in many cases turns otherwise reasonable equipment into lemons as you have found out.

The ability to protect the path (via HDMI or via a protected Digital source) has been in Bluray from day one. I believe this was an initiative of Sony, along with regional encoding. Many titles have chosen not to use it so far, but it will get turned on. HDCP was also used in HD-DVD.

Much of this stuff has been documented for years now. There is nothing new, hidden or otherwise. The media companies have been very public in their desire to protect their content. They have spent billions of dollars with DRM companies to enforce their rights.

The consumer in this case is comes a distant second to the desire of the media content companies to protect their content using DRM Tools, ICT flags, DCP on Bluray etc etc etc. There is nothing new here, and has been happening for years.

If you desire to use certified devices to view HD content, such as Freeview certified decoders and PVR, and or MySky and MySky HDi, these protection mechanisms will exist, and you will need to learn to live with them. Remembering you choose to purchase their equipment. When you watch a DVD or Bluray, you agree to abiding by the usage rights that go with it.

Broadcasters will have the ability to time limit things such as recordings to say 48 hours or 1 month, or whatever they choose. If you use these devices get used to it. You will also need to use equipment which supports these standards ie HDMI at a minimum.

On the flip side, the billions of dollars spent on content protection (usually with trumpeted media releases saying how many billions of dollards they have spent on them, and how good they are) to limit the functionality of these devices is balanced by the zero dollards spent by snotty nosed geeks who never see the light of day, eating 5000 pizzas a year, but destroy these protection mechanisms days after they are released by the content providers. They then proceed to write software for normal people who can then use these to ignore all of the above, and continue to watch TV, Movies and record stuff like they always have.

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Ultimate Geek

  # 240528 30-Jul-2009 11:20
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Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware."

It applies pretty much all over the world including NZ.

ICT, HDMI, HDCP were all in development long ago and would be the most common reason most geeks did not buy initial HD TV sets or HD products when released unless it has HDMI sockets. HD Ready and Full HD are relatively new in the sales world and as a geek I guide anyone who asks my advice to Full HD and multiple HDMI sockets.

Common sense should have really been used here, emerging formats or new specifications are always things to be wary of. Don't listen to the salesman.....he is trying to sell you products, don't listen to the manufacturer they are trying to sell you products.

Research it for yourself and see what the geeks are doing when it comes to gadgets. You obviously know about geekzone.

Oh and JB hifi's Bluray ready stickers on their TV ad's do not mean the TV can play Bluray discs. Although you could buy one and argue the case to get a free blu-ray player.

I would take the 40% off, sounds great.

Oh and my advice if you are looking for a new TV...get one with Freeview HD builtin otherwise it won't be a TV in a few years it will just be a monitor.


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  # 241754 3-Aug-2009 12:42
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geekzone thankfully makes it easier for the consumer to find the information they need when the manufacturers seem to insist on accidentally getting it wrong...

Bluray concerns in this thread have now been sent to a new thread

as it seems Sony have released and are advertising a new BDP-S360 model that, it says, plays 1080p over component and also plays 1080i from HD discs without exception also?????

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