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# 285283 26-Dec-2009 18:35

lchiu7: I just discovered something interesting. According to the PS3 a one hour show on TV2 is about 2.4GB (and that's HD). Yet on TV3 using gbpvr a one hour is about 5G. I realise that TV3 sends down both a AAC and a DD 5.1 audio track but I wouldn't thought it would make that much difference. So is the difference down to 720p vs 1080i and the possible fact that TVNZ are compressing their stream much on the mux?

TV3 is 1080i, TV1 and TV2 are 720p. The 1080i broadcast simply uses more bandwidth.

From my observations TV1 seems to actually transmit at a slightly higher bitrate than TV2, recordings in GB-PVR are all bigger on TV1 than TV2.

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# 285303 26-Dec-2009 20:50

SNicolle: Anyone with Playtv in Wellington not picking up Prime or Maori TV?
I am in a multi dwelling apartment block but I have a Bravia IDTV which gets all the channels. Just today I noticed that PlayTV isn't picking up Prime or Maori or the radio channels and the chinese channel etc (which I care much less about)

Yep I'm in Wellington and in an apartment also although I'm up north for xmas etc., I can confirm that Prime and Maori went 'offline' for me a day or two before xmas but thought it might have been my DIY HD aerial - I will double check when I get home tomorrow evening and post back

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# 285392 27-Dec-2009 11:06

I'll have to check the TV then as I just recall I've watched Prime and Maori TV on the idtv before but wasn't flicking to check

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# 285459 27-Dec-2009 17:06

Ok I just checked and it's my DIY aerial location that is at fault not Playtv/Prime :)

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# 288924 11-Jan-2010 11:31

Jaxson:
Deev8: Perhaps a better comparison would be one of the Freeview|HD set top boxes that provides PVR functionality via an external disk drive, but those often have EPG support.

PlayTV is sort of somewhere in the middle. The basic set top boxes allow you to record, but only what you're watching anyway as they are single tuner units. PlayTV allows for always watch one and record one. If you want more functionality then you'll need to look elsewhere.

Some people are really pushing PlayTV as the greatest thing ever, but I personally think it's just a cool add on for someone who has a PS3 already, not necessarily a reason to go and buy a PS3 outright. The PS3 is the best bang for buck unit out there IMO but you suffer the problems of trying to use a games machine to do everything. It is also not officially supported here so you're limited for support comeback, especially in my case where I have a larger 500Gb hard drive and significant stuttering on my PlayTV unit when recording.

Have you had any luck with your stuttering? I just put the WD 500GB in mine and have noticed a similar thing. I hadn't really done enough testing on my old 60GB drive to know if that was any different, but I did record a couple of things and still have those recordings and they seem fine.

Also, I find watching Live TV is fine but as soon as I try recording at the same time I'll get an occasional stutter. It's quite annoying and the wife will not be all that happy if it continues... Maybe I need to put the 60GB back in and do more testing?

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# 288929 11-Jan-2010 12:11

bazzer:

Crap! Huge post just got lost.... %!^@

No, haven't fixed it mate.

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# 288933 11-Jan-2010 12:33

Jaxson:
bazzer:

Crap! Huge post just got lost.... %!^@

No, haven't fixed it mate.

I guess first I'll try reinstalling PlayTV. Then I'll try switching my video output to 720p. Then I may try putting the old drive back in. There's just not enough room on a 60GB though, so that will be a shame. I mean, it's not so bad and it is watchable but I was kind of hoping it would be better. It did seem to run pretty well before I changed HDDs. What could the problem be?

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# 288936 11-Jan-2010 12:50

I think there's an underlying problem with the way the PS3 deals with some larger hard drives.

I've tried:
Reformatting drive (full format took two days!).
Attenuating signal incase it was too strong.

Relocating the PlayTV unit did seem to have an affect, so maybe try that.
It's almost like the signal is reduced when you introduce the second tuner for recording purposes, but my signal is 95% on one channel and 100% on all the rest.
There is no technical info provided though, like bit error rate or signal quality.

I haven't tried the original drive again as it went into an external drive case and is being used in another town now. Fact is as you've mentioned, we shouldn't have to use a smaller drive or limit output to 720 etc. Some people have it working fine, so it's either signal or hard drive size really.

I'm moving house at some stage so am holding fire until I'm there but I'm leaning more towards a HTPC that can receive UHF and Sat signals. I was kinda disappointed with PlayTV when I found out it would only record one thing at a time. In prime time, or if you've set a program overun of 5 mins or something and want to record something after on another channel this is tricky.

That said, hopefully an NZ firmware release is not too far away that will have a full EPG.
Apparently a software version 1.30 may be out on some CD's supplied for Auzzie customers but it's not available for download otherwise. No word on what that version contains as yet.

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# 293112 26-Jan-2010 11:43

Did anyone notice stuttering/slow motion on C4 lastnight? details here: http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayTV/New-Zealand-PlayTV-Thread-Bugs-and-comments-here-please/m-p/10076966#M2131

Also, I thought subtitles weren't supported? imagine my surprise when I switched the channel to Shortland St last week and seeing them as bright as day!

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# 293299 27-Jan-2010 10:12

pulsta: Did anyone notice stuttering/slow motion on C4 lastnight? details here: http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayTV/New-Zealand-PlayTV-Thread-Bugs-and-comments-here-please/m-p/10076966#M2131

Also, I thought subtitles weren't supported? imagine my surprise when I switched the channel to Shortland St last week and seeing them as bright as day!

The stuttering was bad last night even when using the TVs builtin freeview tuner.

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# 293367 27-Jan-2010 11:51

Looks like Japan now has a PVR function for the PS3. Check out

Torne for the PS3

Looks pretty similar to PlayTV apart from one major functional difference. It allows you to record to external USB drives! I am guessing they need to be formatted FAT32 since the PS3 doesn't have NTFS support and maybe it's not clear how files larger than 4G would be handled but it's a nice option.

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# 293858 28-Jan-2010 11:59

pulsta: Did anyone notice stuttering/slow motion on C4 lastnight? details here: http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayTV/New-Zealand-PlayTV-Thread-Bugs-and-comments-here-please/m-p/10076966#M2131

Also, I thought subtitles weren't supported? imagine my surprise when I switched the channel to Shortland St last week and seeing them as bright as day!

Ok, seems like the problem is with the broadcaster NOT with PlayTV

http://www.freeviewshop.co.nz/forum/index.php?topic=422.225

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# 300263 19-Feb-2010 02:33

I've scanned all posts of this thread (phew)... I've still got some PlayTV questions if anyone could help out.

Has anyone tested backing up recordings larger than 4GB to an external drive? Will the PS3 auto copy multiple 4GB segmented parts, or will it simply refuse?

I understand that you can't rename manual recordings, but can you "pre-name" them before the recording starts? If not, what format are they labelled as, and are they easy to identify if it's a generic name?

Has a maximum hard drive size limit/type been established for reliable drive access and recordings? Is there an upper limit for PS3 drive sizes? Also, does 7200 rpm make any difference over 5400 rpm for reducing stuttering issues (assuming it's I/O related)?

Thanks.

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# 300267 19-Feb-2010 06:59

No, you can't back up larger than 4GB, since the PS3 won't work anything that isn't Fat32 formatting (and thus limited to 4GB). I've been splitting my recording times and stitching the files on my PC as a workaround.

I don't think drive speed makes a difference, in fact when I was getting my 500GB drive there were reports from 7200rpm drive users of more problems. Only anecdotal-level evidence though, so may not be worth the pixels its written in.

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# 300282 19-Feb-2010 08:49

NZtechfreak: No, you can't back up larger than 4GB, since the PS3 won't work anything that isn't Fat32 formatting (and thus limited to 4GB). I've been splitting my recording times and stitching the files on my PC as a workaround.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought once you moved the video file from PlayTV to the regular storage area of the PS3, the DD audio on TV3 gets lost and you are left with only the AAC audio? If that is the case then that makes using PlayTV to record and archive content less than useful.

For my part I only use it for TVNZ because it handles AAC-HE LATM audio nicely - for TV3 I use a PC with GBPVR.

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