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# 300291 19-Feb-2010 09:16

lchiu7:
NZtechfreak: No, you can't back up larger than 4GB, since the PS3 won't work anything that isn't Fat32 formatting (and thus limited to 4GB). I've been splitting my recording times and stitching the files on my PC as a workaround.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought once you moved the video file from PlayTV to the regular storage area of the PS3, the DD audio on TV3 gets lost and you are left with only the AAC audio? If that is the case then that makes using PlayTV to record and archive content less than useful.

For my part I only use it for TVNZ because it handles AAC-HE LATM audio nicely - for TV3 I use a PC with GBPVR.

You have it around the wrong way, TV3 exports to the XMB 100% in DD all the other channels that are in AAC/AAC+ audio is lost, this is a known bug.

One of the better PlayTV info sites is http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=ps3_playtv very up to date.

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# 300294 19-Feb-2010 09:20

wilt64:
You have it around the wrong way, TV3 exports to the XMB 100% in DD all the other channels that are in AAC/AAC+ audio is lost, this is a known bug.

One of the better PlayTV info sites is http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=ps3_playtv very up to date.

Well that's even worse since for TVNZ there is no point in exporting to the XMB since you lose all audio.

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# 300335 19-Feb-2010 11:45

lchiu7:
wilt64:
You have it around the wrong way, TV3 exports to the XMB 100% in DD all the other channels that are in AAC/AAC+ audio is lost, this is a known bug.

One of the better PlayTV info sites is http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=ps3_playtv very up to date.

Well that's even worse since for TVNZ there is no point in exporting to the XMB since you lose all audio.

I haven't tested it, but I don't imagine the audio is "lost". It's just that the PS3's XMB interface can't play it. I'm sure I read that once you have the file on your PC it plays fine.

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# 300337 19-Feb-2010 11:56

bazzer:
lchiu7:
wilt64:
You have it around the wrong way, TV3 exports to the XMB 100% in DD all the other channels that are in AAC/AAC+ audio is lost, this is a known bug.

One of the better PlayTV info sites is http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=ps3_playtv very up to date.

Well that's even worse since for TVNZ there is no point in exporting to the XMB since you lose all audio.

I haven't tested it, but I don't imagine the audio is "lost". It's just that the PS3's XMB interface can't play it. I'm sure I read that once you have the file on your PC it plays fine.

That is correct, the PS3 its self does not support AAC/AAC+ at this stage hence no audio on the XMB, you will probably find once PlayTV here in New Zealand is "freeview certified" you will find PlayTV will behave the same as Australia, you will not be-able to export to the XMB at all unless you choose "other" so it is possible the developers may not fix the bug???

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# 300365 19-Feb-2010 13:07

wilt64:
You have it around the wrong way, TV3 exports to the XMB 100% in DD all the other channels that are in AAC/AAC+ audio is lost, this is a known bug.
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That is correct, the PS3 its self does not support AAC/AAC+ at this stage hence no audio on the XMB, you will probably find once PlayTV here in New Zealand is "freeview certified" you will find PlayTV will behave the same as Australia, you will not be-able to export to the XMB at all unless you choose "other" so it is possible the developers may not fix the bug???

Sounds more like it. One of the first disappointments I had with the PS3 was its not being able to play AAC-HE audio, just as the Popcorn Hour can't either. So having PlayTV being able to play it was a nice feature but as noted, it's locked into that platform and can't be exported.

I just wish Sony would get their act together when it comes to PlayTV and using the PS3 as a PVR platform. The Japanese version of PlayTV Torne

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/02/17/sony.torne.dvr.for.ps3.priced.dated/

can write to up to 8 USB drives so clearly they have worked out a way to get over the FAT32 limit or perhaps they use NTFS?

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# 300369 19-Feb-2010 13:23

lchiu7:
wilt64:
You have it around the wrong way, TV3 exports to the XMB 100% in DD all the other channels that are in AAC/AAC+ audio is lost, this is a known bug.
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That is correct, the PS3 its self does not support AAC/AAC+ at this stage hence no audio on the XMB, you will probably find once PlayTV here in New Zealand is "freeview certified" you will find PlayTV will behave the same as Australia, you will not be-able to export to the XMB at all unless you choose "other" so it is possible the developers may not fix the bug???

Sounds more like it. One of the first disappointments I had with the PS3 was its not being able to play AAC-HE audio, just as the Popcorn Hour can't either. So having PlayTV being able to play it was a nice feature but as noted, it's locked into that platform and can't be exported.

I just wish Sony would get their act together when it comes to PlayTV and using the PS3 as a PVR platform. The Japanese version of PlayTV Torne

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/02/17/sony.torne.dvr.for.ps3.priced.dated/

can write to up to 8 USB drives so clearly they have worked out a way to get over the FAT32 limit or perhaps they use NTFS?

I don't think it is entirely SCEE's fault but freeview NZ, for this product to be "freeview certified" it MUST meet strict requirements and exporting to an "external device" is deemed a no-no just like freeview will NOT allow HD out on component video ONLY HDMI. SCEE will probably not waist time fixing the AAC-HE issue if the final certified product will not export to the XMB anyways. In Japan the requirements are less stringent.
One of the biggest "hold-ups" with PlayTV being released in NZ has been Freeview NOT SCEE, Freeview do not fully support the EIT EPG which PlayTV use but support the horrible MHEG-5 EPG, for Sony to run with PlayTV in NZ to be certified will have to run with the MHEG-5 EPG which is not a patch on PlayTV's EIT EPG!! The work around once PlayTV is released in NZ would be to choose "other" for the EIT and NZ for the MHEG-5....

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# 300380 19-Feb-2010 13:55

lchiu7: I just wish Sony would get their act together when it comes to PlayTV and using the PS3 as a PVR platform.

Sorry but you really have to give up on the PS3 with regards to getting any TV files off it. With the inbuilt networking ability I had high hopes that you could connect to the PS3 via a PC and navigate around it's hard drive directory structure. Doesn't work like that at all. In that respect though the PS3 is no different to all the other main terrestrial PVR's that work the same way, especially once certified.

With the stalemate that is the NZ freeview EPG data PlayTV is heading towards the box that could have been here in NZ. Sony will either have to fold and insert some link the MHEG5 EPG here in NZ and lose all the extra EPG functions it offers (keyword search etc) or stick with the measly 1 or 2 shows ahead it currently gets.

I'm still happy with mine though in that it's a cheap way to add a terrestrial receiver to my PS3 but it's never going to be the major competitor I had initially thought, in that it's only a single tuner recorder and takes a long time to start compared to a dedicated standalone PVR.

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# 300383 19-Feb-2010 14:04

I had no plans to get TV files off - I have other ways if I want to retain the content. But I wonder if you booted another OS up on the PS3 if you could get the files off or is the filesystem on the PS3 OS not viewable from Linux?

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# 300405 19-Feb-2010 14:46

I feel like we've had this discussion. PS3 OS files are not viewable from Linux. You could probably PlayTV to work under Linux, but what would be the point?

Maybe I'll hook mine up to my Windows 7 netbook. It could record OK probably, right? Just have a littel trouble playing back HD content...

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# 300410 19-Feb-2010 14:53

bazzer: I feel like we've had this discussion. PS3 OS files are not viewable from Linux. You could probably PlayTV to work under Linux, but what would be the point?

Maybe I'll hook mine up to my Windows 7 netbook. It could record OK probably, right? Just have a littel trouble playing back HD content...

Windows 7 works fine with PlayTV, for instructions and drivers go here: http://www.freeviewshop.co.nz/forum/index.php/topic,422.210.html reply #213, just remember Windows 7 also relies on the EIT EPG which freeview do not fully support so like PlayTV you can only see a few events ahead. You can record 2 channels at once etc.

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# 300474 20-Feb-2010 07:27

Why couldn't Sony just support external drive formats other than FAT? e.g. Ext2

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# 300518 20-Feb-2010 13:40

wilt64: [snip] #213, just remember Windows 7 also relies on the EIT EPG which freeview do not fully support so like PlayTV you can only see a few events ahead. You can record 2 channels at once etc.

Very easy to resolve this issue on a Windows 7 box with software like BSE.

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# 300938 22-Feb-2010 11:13

Nety:
wilt64: [snip] #213, just remember Windows 7 also relies on the EIT EPG which freeview do not fully support so like PlayTV you can only see a few events ahead. You can record 2 channels at once etc.

Very easy to resolve this issue on a Windows 7 box with software like BSE.

Yes and also you can put a satellite dish up and get freeview channels EPG info as well as other stations not on terrestrial.

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# 300941 22-Feb-2010 11:20

Could those with PlayTV do a little test for me please? (Takes about 10-15mins)
I'm trying to nail down the cause of the stuttering I'm experiencing after about 5-10 minutes recording.
My PlayTV will watch TV all night long with no problems, until the hard drive is used.

Could you:

Start recording something on TV3
Wait 5 minutes
Change channel to TV1
Press Pause (live pause)
Wait 3 minutes or so
Press Play and start watching back TV1
See how this looks after another 5 minutes

And can you note:
The signal strength from the search for channels install stage if you remember it?
(For me this is now 100% on all channels)
Your location and aerial setup
(eg for me this is Manawatu off wharite, dedicated UHF aerial feeding PlayTV direct)
Hard drive size/type
500Gb Western Digital Scorpio Blue

Thanks in advance if you chose to have a crack at this.
Cheers!

wilt64

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# 300945 22-Feb-2010 11:34

Jaxson: Could those with PlayTV do a little test for me please? (Takes about 10-15mins)
I'm trying to nail down the cause of the stuttering I'm experiencing after about 5-10 minutes recording.
My PlayTV will watch TV all night long with no problems, until the hard drive is used.

Could you:

Start recording something on TV3
Wait 5 minutes
Change channel to TV1
Press Pause (live pause)
Wait 3 minutes or so
Press Play and start watching back TV1
See how this looks after another 5 minutes

And can you note:
The signal strength from the search for channels install stage if you remember it?
(For me this is now 100% on all channels)
Your location and aerial setup
(eg for me this is Manawatu off wharite, dedicated UHF aerial feeding PlayTV direct)
Hard drive size/type
500Gb Western Digital Scorpio Blue

Thanks in advance if you chose to have a crack at this.
Cheers!

Will do that in the next couple of days Richard, would be worth while putting the same request on the PlayTV Freeview forums as well, heaps of people watch that (almost up to 50.000 views!!!!)

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