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  Reply # 380796 16-Sep-2010 18:30
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I am disgusted that people expect the taxpayer to subsidize the upgrading of the broadcasters viewers equipment.

The broadcasters are the ones that make money from having viewers, they are the one with paying customers wanting access to those viewers, they are the ones that should be paying for any settop boxes for customers.

IMO its time that the winz payments for televisions were ended as well, since again its not the govt that benifits from it, it is the broadcasters.





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  Reply # 380808 16-Sep-2010 19:11
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System: Has there been any announcements so far on when the Freeview|HD coverage is going to increase?


No. But an RFI was issues by the Ministry of Culture and Heritage a few months ago saying that they would like the 87% rollout to be complete before the WRC.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 380812 16-Sep-2010 19:17
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richms: I am disgusted that people expect the taxpayer to subsidize the upgrading of the broadcasters viewers equipment.

The broadcasters are the ones that make money from having viewers, they are the one with paying customers wanting access to those viewers, they are the ones that should be paying for any settop boxes for customers.

IMO its time that the winz payments for televisions were ended as well, since again its not the govt that benifits from it, it is the broadcasters.



Well said, plus tv isn't a right. its not needed to live.




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  Reply # 380837 16-Sep-2010 19:41
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richms: I am disgusted that people expect the taxpayer to subsidize the upgrading of the broadcasters viewers equipment.

The broadcasters are the ones that make money from having viewers, they are the one with paying customers wanting access to those viewers, they are the ones that should be paying for any settop boxes for customers.

IMO its time that the winz payments for televisions were ended as well, since again its not the govt that benifits from it, it is the broadcasters.



Well said, plus tv isn't a right. its not needed to live.


The government provides plenty of welfare money to people who otherwise would survive quite happily, so I don't think that argument will stop them.


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  Reply # 380881 16-Sep-2010 21:11
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I'm very sceptical about the "Freeview HD for everyone" claim. Very.

I live not 20 minutes from the centre of Auckland. I can't get UHF, so DVB-T is out.
Freeview NZ have said they have no plans at all for HD via satellite.

To achieve the claim, they'll have to:
- move Freeview HD to VHF (totally daft);
- install a UHF transmitter for every community currently in a UHF shadow (hugely expensive);
- provide very long poles for antennas in these areas (ludicrous);
- distribute content by cable or fibre (great idea, but not television);
- put up a new satellite (yeah, right);
- do a deal with Sky for unencoded transmission of Freeview content (hmmm - remember the effort it took to get Prime on Freeview at all?).

Only the last has any hint of feasibility, and I won't be holding my breath from 2013 until they can arrange that.

90% of the population? Maybe.
95%? Maybe.
100%? Not by 2013, and not using the methods they've announced.

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  Reply # 380897 16-Sep-2010 21:29

richms: I am disgusted that people expect the taxpayer to subsidize the upgrading of the broadcasters viewers equipment.

The broadcasters are the ones that make money from having viewers, they are the one with paying customers wanting access to those viewers, they are the ones that should be paying for any settop boxes for customers.

IMO its time that the winz payments for televisions were ended as well, since again its not the govt that benifits from it, it is the broadcasters.




It's a politics. The other thing is the the gov will be making billions from turning it off and selling the spectrum, and the TV companies will also be saving millions by not having to broadcast it, so somewhere inbetween there could be some subsidising going on. They have done it in other countries for this reason. I beleive the gov will be covering some insulation costs, but the installers will just put their prices up.

 

I protest that  tax payers should be paying to give grants to insulate people houses, or be bailing out finance companies, but in the end it is all politics. Remember the gov are borrowing $36 million a day to support the economy.

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  Reply # 380898 16-Sep-2010 21:30

xarqi: I'm very sceptical about the "Freeview HD for everyone" claim. Very.

I live not 20 minutes from the centre of Auckland. I can't get UHF, so DVB-T is out.
Freeview NZ have said they have no plans at all for HD via satellite.

To achieve the claim, they'll have to:
- move Freeview HD to VHF (totally daft);
- install a UHF transmitter for every community currently in a UHF shadow (hugely expensive);
- provide very long poles for antennas in these areas (ludicrous);
- distribute content by cable or fibre (great idea, but not television);
- put up a new satellite (yeah, right);
- do a deal with Sky for unencoded transmission of Freeview content (hmmm - remember the effort it took to get Prime on Freeview at all?).

Only the last has any hint of feasibility, and I won't be holding my breath from 2013 until they can arrange that.

90% of the population? Maybe.
95%? Maybe.
100%? Not by 2013, and not using the methods they've announced.


 

Isn't it freeview for everyone, not freeview HD for everyone.

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  Reply # 380902 16-Sep-2010 21:37
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richms: I am disgusted that people expect the taxpayer to subsidize the upgrading of the broadcasters viewers equipment.

The broadcasters are the ones that make money from having viewers, they are the one with paying customers wanting access to those viewers, they are the ones that should be paying for any settop boxes for customers.

IMO its time that the winz payments for televisions were ended as well, since again its not the govt that benifits from it, it is the broadcasters.




It's a politics. The other thing is the the gov will be making billions from turning it off and selling the spectrum, and the TV companies will also be saving millions by not having to broadcast it, so somewhere inbetween there could be some subsidising going on. They have done it in other countries for this reason. I beleive the gov will be covering some insulation costs, but the installers will just put their prices up.

 

I protest that  tax payers should be paying to give grants to insulate people houses, or be bailing out finance companies, but in the end it is all politics. Remember the gov are borrowing $36 million a day to support the economy.


The license that the broadcasters had purchased the rights to use expired in 2012 anyway, so they would have been negotiating to renew them at that time anyway.

That is something that they do not make clear, the continued broadcast of things past sometime in 2012 was never a sure thing all along.




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  Reply # 380903 16-Sep-2010 21:38
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Isn't it freeview for everyone, not freeview HD for everyone.


"Free HDTV Everywhere By 2013?" is the ScreenScribe.tv headline.  The article includes the text:
"And Freeview general manager Sam Irvine has welcomed the extension of HD coverage..."

Nothing in the press release suggests that it applies to HD however, so it looks like ScreenScribe has read too much into it. 

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  Reply # 380915 16-Sep-2010 21:50
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For the satellite version I managed to install satelitte freeview in a rural area for just $150 with everything including dish and STB. Some installers however charge the earth for this service.


No, you managed to install a satellite receiver, which is able to pick up the freeview channels, no Freeview STB is that cheap.

I would love to see pics of this install. 

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  Reply # 380923 16-Sep-2010 22:06
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xarqi: I'm very sceptical about the "Freeview HD for everyone" claim. Very.



Who claimed this? Freeview have certainly never claimed that everybody will get Freeview|HD.


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xarqi: I'm very sceptical about the "Freeview HD for everyone" claim. Very.



Who claimed this? Freeview have certainly never claimed that everybody will get Freeview|HD.



ScreenScribe, in the article cited.

Well, technically what they wrote was "Free HDTV Everywhere by 2013?" 

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  Reply # 380927 16-Sep-2010 22:09
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So some technologically inept publication says something wrong? nz herald has a big history of doing that, hardly new...




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richms: So some technologically inept publication says something wrong? nz herald has a big history of doing that, hardly new...


Yeah - but just for a moment I got my hopes up. 

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  Reply # 380931 16-Sep-2010 22:13
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Media has got my hopes up many times with promises that they read wrong from the press release. Best when they stick to copy and paste on them since they dont understand technical things.




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