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  # 456645 8-Apr-2011 09:42
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x3 for BBC World or SBS.

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  # 456733 8-Apr-2011 13:22
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Wonder how long that BBC overnite lasts as i believe it cost TVNZ quite a bit to relay this. I seem to remember a couple of years ago they wanted to ditch it because of costs..




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  # 456741 8-Apr-2011 13:43

And didn't the government lend tens of millions to a tv competitor and overseas owned commercial company, in the form of letting them pay of their licensing fee over time. Yet they can't do the same for a public broadcast channel that they actually own.

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  # 456744 8-Apr-2011 13:46
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No BBC isn't all that much, a community radio station I used to work out managed to afford one of their radio feeds, and it had no money.

Then again, I think it was just a sat version of their shortwave service - was was probably free to rebroadcast anyways

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  # 456769 8-Apr-2011 14:42
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robbyp: And didn't the government lend tens of millions to a tv competitor and overseas owned commercial company, in the form of letting them pay of their licensing fee over time. Yet they can't do the same for a public broadcast channel that they actually own.


It's completely different.

The funding for TVNZ7 we are talking about is not to do with the licensing cost of using the particular RF frequency to broadcast, it's do with funding the day to day operation (staff etc), purchase of content and production of content for the channel.

The funding given for TVNZ7 was by-design supposed to be temporary to help it get setup.

They are not continuing funding for it, so it has to stand on it's own... and if it doesn't have enough viewsership and advertising revenue to fund itself it should probably die.

All broadcast tv is in decline, it's a sunset industry.. technological advancement has disrupted the business model for it.

You are going to see more of this happening over time.  There will be a time when TVNZ doesn't make any return on the investment the government puts in.

That leads to the question of: Should the government be in the broadcast tv entertainment business at all, I'd rather they spend our taxes on more important stuff.




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  # 456784 8-Apr-2011 15:58

Ragnor:
robbyp: And didn't the government lend tens of millions to a tv competitor and overseas owned commercial company, in the form of letting them pay of their licensing fee over time. Yet they can't do the same for a public broadcast channel that they actually own.


It's completely different.

The funding for TVNZ7 we are talking about is not to do with the licensing cost of using the particular RF frequency to broadcast, it's do with funding the day to day operation (staff etc), purchase of content and production of content for the channel.

The funding given for TVNZ7 was by-design supposed to be temporary to help it get setup.

They are not continuing funding for it, so it has to stand on it's own... and if it doesn't have enough viewsership and advertising revenue to fund itself it should probably die.

All broadcast tv is in decline, it's a sunset industry.. technological advancement has disrupted the business model for it.

You are going to see more of this happening over time.  There will be a time when TVNZ doesn't make any return on the investment the government puts in.

That leads to the question of: Should the government be in the broadcast tv entertainment business at all, I'd rather they spend our taxes on more important stuff.





I know it was for different things, but it is still a 'loan' of sort and related to broadcasting.  Does NZ need a publicservice channel.? Well both the UK and Oz do, and the UK are in more finacial trouble than NZ. We need it for tranparency of news, and I personally think it is more importnant than public service radio, which is funded. The fact that content that tax payers paid for, is now being solely broadcasted on a pay TV channel, heartland TV, is probably a sign that all channels will soon be solely commercial channels.... apart from maori  tv of course. Maori tv may become NZs public service channel.

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  # 456792 8-Apr-2011 16:21
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Meh, just put all the publicy servicey stuff back on One and take off packed to  the rafters

 
 
 
 


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  # 456817 8-Apr-2011 18:23

PottsyNZ: Meh, just put all the publicy servicey stuff back on One and take off packed to  the rafters


 

IMOH they don't handle it well. Look at close up, they try to get 3-4 stories on it a night crammed into 20 minutes, and there rarely any indepth stories or tough questions asked, and the host just stutters his way through it. Campbell live is better, and at least they are keeping on the earthquake, but they too are restrained by time. You always hear them say, we are running out of time and we have to go.

The big difference between commerical tv and public broadcast tv is 'time'. Public service tv can dedicate a lot more time to a subject, and covers a broad range of less popular subjects, as they don't need to rely on ratings to generate advertising revenue. One good tvnz7 program is media 7.

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  # 456916 9-Apr-2011 06:31
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National will probably blame the quakes for this as well.

Just remember all these things they've done that annoyed come voyting day, I can assure you I will be.

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  # 457026 9-Apr-2011 15:48

lostangel: National will probably blame the quakes for this as well.

Just remember all these things they've done that annoyed come voyting day, I can assure you I will be.


If / when it does close down, I believe NZ will be one of the only countries in the OECD that doesn't have a public service TV broadcaster. It is not good for democracy. We often like to compare ourselves with how we rank on the OECD ladder, but in this case I believe we will be at the bottom of the OECD if it does close.

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  # 457086 9-Apr-2011 21:12
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Ragnor: All broadcast tv is in decline, it's a sunset industry..

Sounds like the predictions of paperless offices that we had circa 1990.

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  # 457118 9-Apr-2011 22:47
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Deev8:
Ragnor: All broadcast tv is in decline, it's a sunset industry..

Sounds like the predictions of paperless offices that we had circa 1990.


It is overseas. Hulu is the prime source for many people thru the small boxes for tv, cable channels are offering virtual PVR's etc. the idea of watching a broadcast at a certain time becomes irrelevent when there is a decently wide and cheap pipe to your house.

I dont see how they cant make tvnz 7 profitable tho. They have shows that dont cost much to make, and could run the same volume of ads that the other channels do.

Ah well. 1 month till the first of analog switch off, so will see how no more trackside drives freeview uptake, but I suspect most fans already have sky since that gets them the other tab channel too.




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  # 457240 10-Apr-2011 15:53

richms:
Deev8:
Ragnor: All broadcast tv is in decline, it's a sunset industry..

Sounds like the predictions of paperless offices that we had circa 1990.


It is overseas. Hulu is the prime source for many people thru the small boxes for tv, cable channels are offering virtual PVR's etc. the idea of watching a broadcast at a certain time becomes irrelevent when there is a decently wide and cheap pipe to your house.

I dont see how they cant make tvnz 7 profitable tho. They have shows that dont cost much to make, and could run the same volume of ads that the other channels do.

Ah well. 1 month till the first of analog switch off, so will see how no more trackside drives freeview uptake, but I suspect most fans already have sky since that gets them the other tab channel too.


It was almost setup to fail, as it was barely advertised, and you couldn't watch it unless you had either freeview, and later sky. But I would think that it's viewership was growing, as more people got new freeview tvs, and as the uhf signal is extended. I have watched it more recently, especially during the eq. Have they actually released viewership figures? Perhaps if the government didn't demand a dvidend from tvnz, they could pump their profits back into tvnz7. I think some advertising on tvnz 7 is probably needed, as NZ is such a small market.

I don't agree that public service broadcasting is dying, and people like to have the TV on in the evening as it is background entertainment. Look at the BBC, which is a public service broadcaster, and able to sell their content, both online and conventional offshore. They do however need to adapt to the new technology. I do however agree that the old broadcasting model is dying, but that is the same with music, and also happened with the horse and cart when the car was invented.




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  # 457998 12-Apr-2011 21:13
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Interesting how many times TVNZ7 or programs broadcast on TVNZ7 feature as Freeview Award Winners.

Based on the results of these awards, it appears to be a pretty well watched and liked channel.

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