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  Reply # 469385 15-May-2011 18:35
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sbiddle: I'm about having content in the format it's encoded with - in this case a stereo feed delivered in stereo using L+R channels.

IMHO your logic is akin to those people who watch 4:3 TV on a 16:9 TV in fatovision just because they want to fill the whole screen.


What a fatuous comparison! I want to make the audio MORE believable/appropriate/realistic by better linking moving image and sound. Mr Fatovision wants to FALSIFY his image by completely changing its ratio. There is no way such a person could argue their case rationally.


My preference for dialogue to be directed in such a manner so as to ensure it appropriately matches the moving image of the dialogue's source is based on a reasoned position of finding a disconnect between the two artificial and disconcerting. Whereas the idiot who insists on watching 3:4 stretched on a 16:9 TV (such as my brother-in-law) is simply wanting to use their full real estate, without any rational consideration of what it does to the picture. 

From my perspective, the pursuit of supposed audio purity in this situation, at the expense of presenting a believable connection between image and sound, is far too down the AR road for my liking. Then again, as I mentioned earlier, let's just accept we have different but reasoned arguments for our positions, rather than making inferences of idiocy! 

 

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  Reply # 469417 15-May-2011 22:11
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I'm with you on this J18 !

With a lot of two channel TV/movie soundtracks there is surround info encoded into the two basic channels, info that can't be recovered if the DD wrapper is in forced 5.1 mode.

I don't know what sort of audio equipment some of teh previous posters are using but any decent surround processor should be able to switch seamlessly between two and multi-channel modes.

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  Reply # 469868 16-May-2011 20:53

I thought Prologic was an 80's thing, Who encodes that now that DD5.1 and DTS are around?

Notice how a Prologic receiver "makes" a centre an rear channel even if the source material is not Prologic... hmmm... probably not "encoded into the stereo" on most TV or movies then?




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  Reply # 470237 17-May-2011 19:57
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Since I started this, I will finish it. Wrappers aside, I finally solved my digital reception problem. It was just a setting I missed (about a hundred times). I am now reveling in the glory of full upscaled 2-channel stereo over a 5.1 Dolby digital link. Ah, bliss...




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  Reply # 470264 17-May-2011 21:09

Rikkitic: Since I started this, I will finish it. Wrappers aside, I finally solved my digital reception problem. It was just a setting I missed (about a hundred times). I am now reveling in the glory of full upscaled 2-channel stereo over a 5.1 Dolby digital link. Ah, bliss...


Glad you've got it sorted. Hopefully something will play soon that is DD5.1 and make all that hassle worth while!

Where was the setting?




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  Reply # 470339 17-May-2011 23:06
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hdinsider: I thought Prologic was an 80's thing, Who encodes that now that DD5.1 and DTS are around?

Notice how a Prologic receiver "makes" a centre an rear channel even if the source material is not Prologic... hmmm... probably not "encoded into the stereo" on most TV or movies then?


Pro-Logic is very much a 21st Century thing.

Some clarification first, nothing is recorded in Pro-Logic.

Through the manipulation of the phase relationship between adjacent audio channels, rear surround information can be folded into the main stereo channels.

Pro-Logic is one way of recovering that information.

The latest versions called Pro-Logic IIx and IIz can take two-channel material (which is still in common usage) and simulate 5.1 or 6.1 soundfields, not by adding reverb like some cheap HT amp but by deriving a difference signal from the main channels, ie. L-R.

The system has different modes for movies, music and gaming.

Pro-Logic II was designed by the father of steering logic surround decoding, Jim Fosgate.




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  Reply # 470369 18-May-2011 07:00
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ilovemusic:
hdinsider: I thought Prologic was an 80's thing, Who encodes that now that DD5.1 and DTS are around?

Notice how a Prologic receiver "makes" a centre an rear channel even if the source material is not Prologic... hmmm... probably not "encoded into the stereo" on most TV or movies then?


Pro-Logic is very much a 21st Century thing.



And yet when you have DD and DTS not to mention the HD formats you do not touch Pro-Logic for any reason.. :-P







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  Reply # 470375 18-May-2011 07:34
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Nety:  And yet when you have DD and DTS not to mention the HD formats you do not touch Pro-Logic for any reason.. :-P


... unless one is concerned about securing the location of dialogue when DD is only being broadcast in 2.0!

Pro-Logic in its more recent forms will continue to have a role for many until digital SURROUND sound is standard on all channels.



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  Reply # 470425 18-May-2011 10:52
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hdinsider: Where was the setting?


On my Orton there is an audio selection setting for pcm/raw. I had that one correct. There is also a separate audio channel selection button. I looked at it several times but there was either only one choice available, or the alternative was another language (also pcm) and I just assumed it was only intended for changing language tracks. As with all cheap electronics devices these days, the manual was worthless and didn't say anything about this. If my brain had been working better, I might have eventually figured that I also needed to select the surround channel here. I never happened to look at this setting when the unit was receiving a Dolby signal so I never saw that choice appear and I didn't realise it had to be selected when it did since the default setting is pcm. I eventually stumbled across it by accident when replaying something I had recorded in 5.1. Doh!




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