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  Reply # 140232 24-Jun-2008 17:40
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Bartender - the UK guys have sorted the hardware CI/CAM using Dragon CAM (FireDTV), which works with UK NDS.   I haven't been willing to fork out the money for the gear until its guaranteed to work over here.  From my limited understanding the blue cards and 10 digit serial boxes may help, but you still need to spend alot of cash to be an expensive g/pig.

I believe the Hauppauge CI/CAM interface has been tried sucessfully in the UK also, which is USB and can support multiple cards in one PC but don't quote me on that.

eXDee - good luck with Media Portal - I set it up again the other day, wasted another 5 hours trying to get it working, but personally its way too much effort for me.  TV shouldn't be that hard.  There's a section in the DVBSBridge forums which detail how to get it to work - DVBSBridge simply sets it self up as a soft "tuner" card, so theres no reason why it shouldn't work, other than all the bugs in Media Portal - but thats a different story... Wink

I did get GBPVR to work reasonably sucessfully - it had issues with channels with multi soundtracks, and still found channels which I don't subscibe to, but at least it was very easy to set up.  Channel changing was very slow though.

The thing with the MCE solution is that it only uses ProgDVB to pass the decrypted TS to MCE.  It also passes the EIT guide info ie 7 day guide.

It does this very quickly so using it in MCE is a pleasure ie fast channel changing.  The Steam Buffer Engine (or SBE2 if you use Fiji) still does all the video processing, which means that all of the overscan, black border issues that the other solutions all still suffer from disappear.







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  Reply # 140312 24-Jun-2008 21:13
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does the jaycar reader support the blue NZ17xx sub card? unlike the dreambox.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 140313 24-Jun-2008 21:13
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does the jaycar reader support the blue NZ17xx sub card? unlike the dreambox.

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  Reply # 140394 25-Jun-2008 10:00
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idkpmiller: does the jaycar reader support the blue NZ17xx sub card? unlike the dreambox.


Can't comment - mines a blue 45XX.

Only issues I've had a with the reader is not recognising the card - needs to be plug in a few times to get a green light, but this could be due to my exceptional build skills (ie crap). 

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  Reply # 140396 25-Jun-2008 10:24
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RustyGonad: Bartender - the UK guys have sorted the hardware CI/CAM using Dragon CAM (FireDTV), which works with UK NDS. I haven't been willing to fork out the money for the gear until its guaranteed to work over here. From my limited understanding the blue cards and 10 digit serial boxes may help, but you still need to spend alot of cash to be an expensive g/pig.


Indeed, I don't really care about going dowm the Dragon path since I already have a working solution that cost me $460 all up (including 250GB disk) for a complete PVR solution (DM600) if I subscribed to Sky, to get it working with TCL costed me another $100 for the Cable Tuner, so $560... Comparibly a heck of a lot less than everyone is spending here to attempt to get a similar working solution on a PC :).






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  Reply # 141645 30-Jun-2008 19:49
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I'd go and buy all the parts asap if only it worked in mediaportal and if it works with Sky HD (theoretically should?). Then it would work out perfect for us.

How much did it cost you for all that you needed, i might give it a go if it isnt too much. This is to anyone who has got it working so far btw.
I know rustygonad has spent many hours trying to get it working on mediaportal, but i'd be very greatful if someone would attempt to follow the dvbsbridge guide. I don't really want to shell out $30 or so for the software if it won't work.

Failing that, getting this working under GBPVR might be just as good too.



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  Reply # 141679 30-Jun-2008 21:06
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Has anyone got this working using a 17XXX Sky smartcard?

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  Reply # 141692 30-Jun-2008 21:30
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eXDee: I'd go and buy all the parts asap if only it worked in mediaportal and if it works with Sky HD (theoretically should?). Then it would work out perfect for us.

How much did it cost you for all that you needed, i might give it a go if it isnt too much. This is to anyone who has got it working so far btw.
I know rustygonad has spent many hours trying to get it working on mediaportal, but i'd be very greatful if someone would attempt to follow the dvbsbridge guide. I don't really want to shell out $30 or so for the software if it won't work.

Failing that, getting this working under GBPVR might be just as good too.


Card Reader $59.95
Internal Serial Cable $7
Software $26

Wondering why you wasted all that time with Freeview just to get TV3 in HD showing a bunch of shows you don't like anyway - PRICELESS...

Seriously - just use Media Center.  Everything works like a dream.  Nothing else will change channel as fast or look as good - and thats before you use the Guide search functions to record stuff... Once you get 50 odd channels working you realise how good the MCE guide is - nothing else I've tried even gets close.

Both of the other solutions still suffer from Overscan/Black border issues which Media Center doesn't have, and their channel changing is slow to say the least.

I've been using it for a week now - the only issues I've had are related to the Fiji beta.  On that front I believe the beta has hit RC0 (Vista Media Center Feature Pack 2008 RC0) stage ie I'm only guessing but expect a public beta, which should be stable enough to use within the next 6 weeks.  I've thrown TV3 HD out for now - I'll add it back in once DVB-T in MCE is stable, which with a bit of luck will be just in time for the Olympics.

The only thing its missing is multi tuner support - with a bit of luck the DVBSBridge guys will release it before the MS kills there market in a couple of months...








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  Reply # 141700 30-Jun-2008 21:42
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I would use media centre, but that means either buying vista/mce2005. The bigger reason why i named Mediaportal/GBPVR is the fact that you can tune into it from any computer on the network. This is what i want working.

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  Reply # 141721 30-Jun-2008 22:29
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Satch: Has anyone got this working using a 17XXX Sky smartcard?


From the statements I have seem so far, coupled with my own experience it would seem the following is true:

1. 17xx Blue NZ cards are common
2. 17xx cards do not work with the dreambox
3. 17xx cards do not work with the jaycar reader
4. if you have a 17xx card and try and change it you will get another 17xx card and be down 30 bucks
5. If you have a 17xx card you're stuffed :-(

An unhappy 17xx card holder

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  Reply # 141726 30-Jun-2008 22:54
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Procrastination is making me post a lot...
Interestingly enough for ndscam, the changelog says:
ver.0.0.0.6
    + Fix for SkyNZ cards.
This still doesnt work with 17xx cards?



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  Reply # 141844 1-Jul-2008 12:22
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idkpmiller: From the statements I have seem so far


What statements are these?  I don't want to believe what you have posted...

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  Reply # 141996 1-Jul-2008 19:15
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For sake of clarification and hopefully promoting debate where I am proven wrong, I have provided my reasoning for the statements I made in a previous post.

1. 17xx Blue NZ cards are common
     > I have asked 5 people at work (Wellington) all of them and myself have 17xx cards Blue type. after 6 in a row I     conclude that the 17xx card is common.

2. 17xx cards do not work with the dreambox
     > I have tested this for a number of days with every CAM I could lay my hands on, this was done on a DM7000. I would be happy for someone to prove this statement wrong!

3. 17xx cards do not work with the jaycar reader
     > This is an interesting statement, which will stand until proven wrong. so far to date no-ine has indicated they have got it working therefore my current assumption and experience with the Dreambox says it wont work on this reader also.

4. if you have a 17xx card and try and change it you will get another 17xx card and be down 30 bucks
     > I have read something to this effect on geekzone, I think it may have been sub that said it. It is also my experience after "Losing" my 17xx card. I was sent a 17xx card to replace it.

5. If you have a 17xx card you're stuffed :-(
       >
This is my conclusion based on the above statements.
There may be one of the statements that help Dreambox owners and that is working out what makes Sky give a user a 17xx card. Is it the region there are in - doubtful, more likely its becuse they have a specific set-top box type. I have seem mention of the silver pace set-top and mysky being the ones that get the 45xx (cant recall if this is correct, its certainly a 4xxx card).

A quick show of hands on this forum should give an indication of which set-top boxes seem to get given the non 17xx card.
Anyone up for it? we would need some 17xx card holders and some 4xxx card holders to provide information similar to this:

Location: Wellington
Set-top: Black Motorola
Card type: Blue 17xx

Thats my contribution.

cheers

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  Reply # 142020 1-Jul-2008 20:21
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Location: Hamilton
Set Top: Old rubbish pace one (no component)
Card: Gold card 17001B

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