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Topic # 220139 27-Jul-2017 14:56
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I finally decided I'd had enough of the bugs from Mediaportal 1.16/1.17.  Nothing but problems since 1.16 for me with MP crashing, freezing after watching local media etc.  So I chucked it in and installed MP 2.1.  

 

First install - I installed it with 1.16 still installed.  It picked up all my existing configuration and proceeded to turn to utter crap.  Dropping the tv server constantly etc.  It also decided 2 of my 3 DVB-T cards were unknown types of cards.  

 

Second Install - I uninstalled MP 1.16. Uninstalled MP 2.1.  Reinstalled MP 2.1.  It detected my cards correctly but was still crashing regularly when trying to change channels.  Scrapped that and started over! 

 

Third Install - I reinstalled 1.16 and did a FULL uninstall and deleted the lot. OMG did it take its time! Too many oh who knows what :p  Installed MP 2.1 from scratch again.  Didnt import any settings from prior.  Tested it out and OMG!  it worked perfectly - or so I thought!  

 

Added in my media - tv shows, movies. All good. It worked fine.  Added in my music - it crapped out and started crashing the tv server again.  Removed my music (admittedly I have 450-500GB of music from waaaaaaaay too many CD's I actually own!).  Things started working fine again!  

 

Next step was setting up Trakt.tv.  Comes with the plugin pre-installed.  Seemed to setup fine but isnt syncing.  Not a biggie right now would just be nice to have it syncing so both my computers have updated syncs.  Doesnt come up with a rating system etc like the original did on MP1.  Thats ok.  I can live with it. 

 

Pet peeves about MP 2.1 - the interface is a little hard to use.  I would have loved a straight forward theme like MP1 has. Or even a straight forward theme like my Kodi one.  Tried removing stuff from the main menu I dont use - pictures and now music since Im not going to bother - I'll stick spotify on the computer for the rare time I use it for music!.  This just plain didnt work so Im guessing the inbuilt theme menu editing isnt working yet.  Annoying but livable.  

 

I HATE HATE HATE having to try like hell to get the damned tv/videos back into full screen! OMG!  Cant find how to do it without going thru menu after menu.  Very frustrating.  So if anyone knows what key to bind please let me know and I'll reprogram my harmony to use it!  

 

Cant switch to/from TVNZ1 & TVNZ2. I will get sound but no image, just a black screen.  So if I want to swap between those two I switch to 3/4 then to 1/2.  I dont seem to have the same issues with 3/4.  Havent tried switching from TVNZ1/2 to Duke either. Havent played with PiP, might when I get around to it one day.  No rush! 

 

Power saving,  very different to how I had it set in MP1!!  Its taken me a few days to work out but now its working and working well.  Use the default settings,  if you have a network share on your HTPC which stores your stuff make sure you tell it to go into away mode or else when someone turns off the system it'll shut it down mid stream.  Nothing like Game of Thr......... omg who was the tard that switched the tv off! :p  It now uses the Windows power saving rather than the built in.  This is good and bad, good once you work it out.  Only issue Ive had now with it was my SABnzbd got stuck on a file with 40k left to download but kept looping.  Computer wouldnt turn off till I rectified that problem.  Now it'll do standby / hibernate no problems.

 

TV Guide - still using EPG Collector as the built in guide download still comes up with garbage.  All good,  takes all of 30 secs more to setup.  I have it collecting at 6pm when I know the computer will be on and unlikely to be using all the cards. Works perfect every time.  

 

The TV quality is a crapload more reliable so far than my MP1 setup.  Doesnt break up / jitter / lag etc.  Channel switching is very very fast.  Not sure if the picture quality is better / the same / rubbish.  To be perfectly honest I dont personally use the lounge setup enough to really notice - I have a Kodi NUC in my bedroom hooked up to a 50" LED TV so thats my normal go-to.  Cant stand the Home and Away / Neighbors / Shortland Street / Masterchef nights! :p   All my recordings come out fine.  

 

So other than the few niggles Im having its actually working very well.  I would like a more in depth trakt plugin but thats really about all Im missing.  Dont need a movie plugin, dont need a series plugin etc.  It would be nice if they could integrate Spotify into it eventually as well but without an "official" app I doubt its worth the headache.  

 

I run my HTPC on an AMD A10-7850K CPU, ASUS motherboard (cant remember which) 2x4GB DDR3 - important to have it in dual channel mode or the GPU is absolutely awful!! 120GB SSD - the main drive along with the buffering for TV. 500GB drive for recordings, 2TB drive for downloads / storage.  Hauppauge HVR-2250 Dual DVB-T, Asus 7135 DVB-T Tuner. 


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  Reply # 1834654 1-Aug-2017 08:06
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Interesting,

 

I've actually been actively moving away from my 11 years with mediaportal. What made you stick with them? With on demand we have way less of a requirement for live tv, dvr is nice to avoid ads from the on demands but overall it's mainly the live tv for the wife. I found that we use mobile devices a lot more these days so being able to get all of the htpc video/live tv out to them was becoming quite high. Emby seems to be sorting this all out nicely for us now




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  Reply # 1834718 1-Aug-2017 09:29
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Well Ive stuck with it because its been useful to have a computer behind the TV in the past. Yes in theory I could ditch it, move the computer elsewhere (like into the garage), use freeview on the TV and use one of my spare RPi's with Kodi to play video on the TV.  Might even do that at some stage.  It used to be I had 3 MP computers running off the one TV server but thats not used anymore - my one in my bedroom runs Kodi on Libreelec on a NUC and I have setup the live streaming of freeview on it.  But every now and then I still want to record and realistically thats the only spot in the house with an aerial outlet.  If someone somehow managed to get freeview+ on either Windows or Kodi or whatever then its likely Id ditch the whole thing!  

 

In general I actually like the whole Kodi setups much nicer to work with and less prone to problems (far less prone!!).  And much more versatile.  


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1834778 1-Aug-2017 10:32
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Everything has its pluses and minuses.

 

I originally tried MediaPortal 1.something, thought it would be nice to try 2.something but gave up waiting for it to appear and went for Emby instead.

 

If you ever felt the urge, Emby is pretty reasonable at LiveTV and quite good at metadata scraping for rips and music and sending stuff to different devices. Has its disadvantages, you'll probably have to pay for it, though the server and watching on the web is I think free, can also use Kodi but link to the Emby database. Think you can buy individual apps for $5 or something. If you're watching TV you need (I think) to back out of that channel to watch another one, you can't just press 3 for TV3 and switch straight from say TVNZ1 to TV3. Has a decent TV guide/grid.

 

Sorry - thats a bit bitty...





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  Reply # 1834802 1-Aug-2017 11:02
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 I have noticed that actually flicking around live tv is a bit rubbish but we dont really do that any more. Set up all the recordings and it just does its thing. Live tv is a lot slower to tune or change but we really have moved past live tv. I also changed the main htpc that has the tuners and is still plugged into the TV to be in tablet mode on win10. Then we just use the start screen as basically the app's page with links to the ondemand services (through edge or the tvnz app), netflix, and then emby win10 app. Works well, nextpvr for the backend tv. Can still torrent easily too. All of this is so much easier to setup and maintain which is what i need since i have 3 little kids now and my spare time is almost zero. 

 

This all comes from a diehard mp person of 11 years, mp unfortunately with it being free missed the app/mobile boat. If you dont mind paying for emby software i think its a good setup and i did try a whole bunch of stuff... ive pretty much spammed my testing on this forum for the past month. 


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  Reply # 1834830 1-Aug-2017 11:28
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whoa, been a while since i looked at mediaportal.   cant believe theyre still doing 1.x releases after all these years of 2.x.  would be better if the developers just focused on one.    version 2 was in preview 4 years ago (according to wikipedia).  

 

personally i would ditch it and go with kodi as a front end if you really still want live tv, or if youre happy with recordings go with plex/hdhomerun dvr/emby or similar.  android tv device (proper android tv) + server backend is best ive found.  gives you netflix etc, and can run kodi/plex/emby with proper remote support.  HTPCs require too much maintenance (any maintenance is too much IMO, they always seem to need it when you cant be bothered with them).


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  Reply # 1834831 1-Aug-2017 11:28
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 I have noticed that actually flicking around live tv is a bit rubbish but we dont really do that any more. Set up all the recordings and it just does its thing. Live tv is a lot slower to tune or change but we really have moved past live tv. I also changed the main htpc that has the tuners and is still plugged into the TV to be in tablet mode on win10. Then we just use the start screen as basically the app's page with links to the ondemand services (through edge or the tvnz app), netflix, and then emby win10 app. Works well, nextpvr for the backend tv. Can still torrent easily too. All of this is so much easier to setup and maintain which is what i need since i have 3 little kids now and my spare time is almost zero. 

 

This all comes from a diehard mp person of 11 years, mp unfortunately with it being free missed the app/mobile boat. If you dont mind paying for emby software i think its a good setup and i did try a whole bunch of stuff... ive pretty much spammed my testing on this forum for the past month. 

 

 

Just wondering if

 

a) you ever tried Ember for Emby. It direct plays LiveTV so starts playing much quicker but OTOH it also doesn't de-interlace, so its a bit comb-ey as well

 

b) ever tried putting IPTV/m3u8 stuff in NextPVR so that Emby can take m3u8 channels and put them in the guide and stuff (I find it tend to just stop after a while)





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  Reply # 1834911 1-Aug-2017 13:24
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rb99:

 

 

 

Just wondering if

 

a) you ever tried Ember for Emby. It direct plays LiveTV so starts playing much quicker but OTOH it also doesn't de-interlace, so its a bit comb-ey as well

 

b) ever tried putting IPTV/m3u8 stuff in NextPVR so that Emby can take m3u8 channels and put them in the guide and stuff (I find it tend to just stop after a while)

 

 

Guide from the dvbt devices seems to be working fine in nextpvr. I used to use an xml grabber but this sweet as. 

 

I haven't tried Ember but i did do some reading about how a few people would like an option added to Emby to enable direct play without transcoding. Like i said though livetv isnt massive anymore, by the time the kids are in bed and general boring house stuff is done its 8pm anyway so we just pull up some recordings (i even record the news at 6 if we feel like it). Works well overall. I want to migrate over to my android tv as the front end eventually but it is not that major really, first ill need to run another network cable so i can plug the mi box into ethernet as the AC signal still doesnt really cut the mustard. My other issue is my kids pull all the batteries out of every remote they get their hands on, with the wireless keyboard they are less inclined to do so for some reason


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  Reply # 1834927 1-Aug-2017 13:33
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Ah well, fair enough. Just asked about the IPTV thing cos we're in a DBV-S only area and apparently TVNZ1 and 2 and maybe a few others stream at higher resolution. Like I said it works in NextPVR/Emby but stops by itself after a while. Guess I'll fix it eventually somehow.





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  Reply # 1840609 7-Aug-2017 15:25
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Ok now with the updates.  

 

Upgraded to 2.1.1,  didnt fix the switching on the same mux problem.  Didnt really change anything for me.  Maybe runs slightly faster?  

 

Trakt integration still seems to be broken for me.  I gave up on caring right now.  

 

So far its been running very stable.  Doesnt crash etc like 1.7 did.  

 

Power Management is still meh,  sometimes it works, 95% of the time it doesnt ever kick in.  Im not adverse to the computer staying on 24/7 but if it doesnt need to then Id rather it not. 

 

Still not configurable enough - cant remove crap like the photos / music tabs even though its got options for it.  Using epgcollector for the guide still works but I have had to change the time to the mornings as it tends to screw up the hour its done in - I was running it at 6pm as thats when I know the systems on but it will delete the data from 6-7 completely for that night.  

 

 

 

As an experiment I have tried Nextpvr / Kodi.  Nextpvr setup very nicely as was easy enough,  seemed I had to restart the computer each time I changed any settings - even if I restarted the service.  No biggie.  Seems the normal guide collection works fine as well - couldnt work out how to get it to import from my old epgcollector one.  Setup Kodi 17.3, installed the nextpvr plugin and it all worked fine.

 

Of course then theres the issue of Kodi and my remote - it just doesnt do what I want, ever.. I have two logitech harmony remotes, an older 880(from memory) and a Harmony One.  Why on earth cant they just make the damned things work out of the box. Both work as basic remotes but buttons like the guide just dont do crap. Same with the menu buttons etc.  I remember I originally installed MCERemote and set it up manually in there but thats a real pain in the butt.  Hasnt been a factor on my other kodi machine as its just mine and I use Yatse on my phone/tablet to control it all anyway.  Not so acceptable on the main system in the lounge.  If I could get these working properly then I think Id be happy with Nextpvr/Kodi as a replacement for Mediaportal. 

 

Emby I took a very quick look at.  Dont really want to pay money on a product that may or may not do the live tv the way I want.  Plus Im still stuck with the Kodi / Remote thing. 

 

Havent seen if the power management will work on it either.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1841142 8-Aug-2017 14:03
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Re the remote thing i just swapped over to one of these: https://www.pulse-eight.com/p/104/usb-hdmi-cec-adapter  and use the tv remote (well its a harmony one but with the tv remote loaded). Works pretty well, it also has integration with kodi i think. We also use a phone remote app and then probably just use a wireless keyboard/trackpad since it has a lock on it so the kids cant figure out how to turn it on and use it (they are only little). 

 

I also just pop the old computer to sleep midnight and autowake it at 6am, saves on a few hours of power. Before i put it to sleep i set it to restart the system then epg 10 mins after that and sleep 10 mins after that. Works most of the time just fine. We have people home most of the day so its not really an issue since it would be on anyway. 

 

Lastly you are right about paying for emby. I wouldnt say its amazing at live tv so if you use that it wouldn't be great, not sure how much better it might be with hd home run since i only have pci-e and usb tuners. We basically just use it for a few recordings and at a pinch some live tv here and there. Mainly have emby to just do management of media and get it all out to the mobile devices and over the internets,




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  Reply # 1841605 9-Aug-2017 09:07
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I dont really care too much about managing my stuff on mobile or over the internet.  Its all just local so I think emby might be overkill.  I did manage to load in a new set of key mappings into my libreelec nuc last night though and it seems better since I also reset my remote and re-did that.  I think with a crapload of tweaking on the mappings I might get things the way I want - then of course  I have to re-do it all again for the older remote which uses the old harmony software - or just swap to the newer 650 I have sitting in my storage for the last year with aspirations of being wanted :p   

 

Im definitely looking at NextPVR/Kodi as my new project but have to get it all working perfectly first for everyone :)  


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  Reply # 1841612 9-Aug-2017 09:17
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NextPVR now has better IPTV support as of the current release but there are still a few bugs with it. You can combine IPTV m3u8 sources with current DVB-T channels so it's totally transparent where the feed is coming from.

 

 




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  Reply # 1841662 9-Aug-2017 10:29
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sbiddle:

 

NextPVR now has better IPTV support as of the current release but there are still a few bugs with it. You can combine IPTV m3u8 sources with current DVB-T channels so it's totally transparent where the feed is coming from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes it seemed very easy to set that up.  Im guessing you can group them in with your DVB connections as well rather than having two separate listings?  

 

All in all nextpvr seems to be pretty reasonable from my brief muck around.  

 

Oh and the trakt stuff IS working on MP 2.1.1, it just seems to really take its time at syncing so Im guessing its on a schedule rather than instantly like Im used to.  Either that or Im losing my mind and have been manually marking things as watched on Kodi - its a possibility :p 


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  Reply # 1841780 9-Aug-2017 12:07
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sbiddle:

 

NextPVR now has better IPTV support as of the current release but there are still a few bugs with it. You can combine IPTV m3u8 sources with current DVB-T channels so it's totally transparent where the feed is coming from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes it seemed very easy to set that up.  Im guessing you can group them in with your DVB connections as well rather than having two separate listings?  

 

All in all nextpvr seems to be pretty reasonable from my brief muck around.  

 

Oh and the trakt stuff IS working on MP 2.1.1, it just seems to really take its time at syncing so Im guessing its on a schedule rather than instantly like Im used to.  Either that or Im losing my mind and have been manually marking things as watched on Kodi - its a possibility :p 

 

 

Yes they just appear anywhere within the channel listing so are totally transparent.

 

 


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  Reply # 1841833 9-Aug-2017 13:25
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sbiddle:

 

NextPVR now has better IPTV support as of the current release but there are still a few bugs with it. You can combine IPTV m3u8 sources with current DVB-T channels so it's totally transparent where the feed is coming from.

 

 

 

 

Really so basically it treats the iptv feed as another 'dvb' like device that it can select when 'tunning' to a channel? What m3u8's are people using in nz? are they all static? 


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