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  Reply # 1850189 22-Aug-2017 10:00
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Do the TVNZ, choice, etc on demand apps have adverts ?

 

 





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  Reply # 1850192 22-Aug-2017 10:10
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xyf:

 

ok so turns out its pretty solid to just add the m3u to emby, with xml for epg source. Just adding the other channels that are not in there (prime/choice/hgtv) from the dvbt source via nextpvr

 

 

Wondering if you could expand on the 'from the dvbt source' bit pleasey ? thats not for adding m3u prime/choice/hgtv, or is it ?





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  Reply # 1850196 22-Aug-2017 10:13
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davidcole:
It does have DVR functions.  I've found it a little immature regarding it's EPG as this is sourced from Gracenote - and tend to have a few holes - see below in your question about the EPG.

 

davidcole:
For using Plex as the DVR, it uses an online service called gracenote - they came from music identification.  As yet I find their EPG quite full of holes.  Missing programs and the like.  It can also take a feed from a extracted EPG - as in there's a program you can run called the EPGCollector which will connect to the hdhomerun and extract the MHEG5 EPG feed in the broadcast stream.  But with plex, this tend to misidentify a lot of shows as movies (means you can;t series link them).

 

Unfortunately I think you're in the wrong country to use Plex DVR exclusively.



Sorry if i missed this, whats the best current solution for getting EPG into Plex in our neck of the weeks then? Is this a function of NextPVR, and if so is the NextPVR Plex plug-in essentially just a portal to the NextPVR software?

 

davidcole:
Hard to quantify this.  There's a difference between a media client - which you were first talking about, and now a plex media server.  


Yes i realise, sorry the server is what im most interested in spec wise.  Im now thinking an i5 NUC would be sufficient to handle my server needs and also run the player client for the Study TV, and a Nvidia Shield Pro (if ive still got cash left over) to run the Lounge TV Client with a Harmony One for everyday use and keyboard and mouse for searches or web-browsing.  As its AndroidTV also has the benefit of being able to cast videos from mobiles to the TV which the missus will use a lot.

For the Bedroom im still thinking of the best solution.  The remote controls with things like FireTV, Roku or the cheaper AndroidTV boxes are pretty limited and means having multiple remotes, and from experience i know the missus will want to use channel numbers when watching LiveTV in bed (this is one of the bigger drawbacks to using most of the out-of-the-box type solutions).  But im wanting to save money here so am still looking..

The garage might end up with another NUC..  The main reason for TV in the garage is watching Youtube tutorials when doing garage work (cars, welding, boat building, house projects etc etc), and for the occasional Spotify or Forum reading.  Keyboard and mouse would be easier to deal with when having greasy hands..

 

davidcole:
But you might be better served with Kodi (which I believe there is a native Silicondust written hdhomerun add on for running the tuners).  Unsure if it will perform recording duties though.


If i go for the Plex/NextPVR combo it sounds like it will resolve my issues?  Ive played with Kodi before when it was XBMC and didnt really like it as much as the Plex implementation.  Hence my swaying in that direction but really its not a biggie for me.  Is there any definite positives to Plex vs Kodi vs Emby as from my limited perspective they pretty much all seem the same in terms of ease of use, EPG, DVR etc..?


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  Reply # 1850205 22-Aug-2017 10:29
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Loryda, don't know if it helps much, but as far as I know, Emby has a TV guide Grid, Plex doesn't (yet).

 

At the moment Emby is trying to move from having a separate plug-in in Emby to interface with NextPVR app to it being built in to Emby. Am trying it out now. You need to add an xml file (or alternative source) to Emby to have a guide. Also, there isn't any artwork at the moment for TV episodes or anything whereas there was with the plug-in. Hopefully that will improve. Maybe you can add an xml guide in Plex, no idea, davidcole would probably know.

 

Would be nice if SchedulesDirect had a NZ service for a guide, but they do't.





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  Reply # 1850237 22-Aug-2017 11:39
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 Yeah sorry no ip source for those other channels. What i have just setup is using the IP channel sources for the ones available then using the nextpvr to just handle the other ones in the system. Problem with Emby is take forever to tune to a dvb station and it was rightly pissing my wife off when she did want to use it. Using Emby built in IPTV tuner its near instant. I noticed there is a choicetv ondemand page, just need some live streaming. 

 

Plex not having an old school guide was the main reason i didnt go with that solution fyi. Wife was like no way. Went with emby becuase it had both. 

 

@rb99 What do you mean Emby is moving to it being built in... Do you you mean they are simply going to add dvb tuners to the system natively? Ive thought about getting an hdhomerun but we just dont use livetv enough anymore to justify it. Sure it would be a nice to have but i already have 2 tuners in the server that i can use.


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  Reply # 1850239 22-Aug-2017 11:42
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One thing im just assuming is with the IPTV it will just happily record all streams at the same time if you wanted too since they are just streams (bandwidth depending... 100mbit so should be fine)

 

 


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  Reply # 1850244 22-Aug-2017 11:53
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xyf:

 

 Yeah sorry no ip source for those other channels. What i have just setup is using the IP channel sources for the ones available then using the nextpvr to just handle the other ones in the system. Problem with Emby is take forever to tune to a dvb station and it was rightly pissing my wife off when she did want to use it. Using Emby built in IPTV tuner its near instant. I noticed there is a choicetv ondemand page, just need some live streaming. 

 

Plex not having an old school guide was the main reason i didnt go with that solution fyi. Wife was like no way. Went with emby becuase it had both. 

 

@rb99 What do you mean Emby is moving to it being built in... Do you you mean they are simply going to add dvb tuners to the system natively? Ive thought about getting an hdhomerun but we just dont use livetv enough anymore to justify it. Sure it would be a nice to have but i already have 2 tuners in the server that i can use.

 

 

Yep, In Emby, I still have all the DVB-S channels, just added m3u stuff as well, didn't do any actual replacing. True about the channel switching too, but so far we still mostly use the set top box for that, for now its easier than having the TV signal go from Dish to Set top box (which needs to be on I think to power the LNB), plus separate co-ax from a splitter to the main PC / PCI-E card / NextPVR / Emby and then ethernet back to the TV.

 

Also, the built in thing is in this Emby thread -

 

https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/50144-32282-new-next-pvr-option/#entry479018

 

You still need NextPVR. Instead of having Emby talk to Emby NextPVR plug-in talk to NextPVR (or Emby talk to Emby MediaPortal plug-in talk to Mediaportal), its Emby talk to NextPVR direct. As you'll see, they hope it'll work better and be easier to fix, but it a only a day or two old and it definitely 'in progress'. Hopefully, as mentioned, it'll direct stream and have artwork back, which it used to get from NextPVR.





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  Reply # 1850245 22-Aug-2017 11:54
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xyf:

 

One thing im just assuming is with the IPTV it will just happily record all streams at the same time if you wanted too since they are just streams (bandwidth depending... 100mbit so should be fine)

 

 

 

 

Presume so to. Just haven't found anything worth recording yet...





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  Reply # 1850252 22-Aug-2017 12:14
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xyf:

 

 @handle9

 

I was thinking of doing that, do you have recording going and everything? series recording? epg too? Since we have 100mbit fibre we can run basically everything streamed no problem. 

 

 

 

 

Yip you import the m3u and xml files into Nextpvr and "it just works".

 

 

 

More information in the youtube link and this thread

 

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=151&topicid=198716&page_no=9

 

 


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  Reply # 1850257 22-Aug-2017 12:25
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Handle9:

 

xyf:

 

 @handle9

 

I was thinking of doing that, do you have recording going and everything? series recording? epg too? Since we have 100mbit fibre we can run basically everything streamed no problem. 

 

 

 

 

Yip you import the m3u and xml files into Nextpvr and "it just works".

 

 

 

More information in the youtube link and this thread

 

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=151&topicid=198716&page_no=9

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah ive put it straight into emby and its even better, near instant tuning




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  Reply # 1850260 22-Aug-2017 12:33
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xyf:
Plex not having an old school guide was the main reason i didnt go with that solution fyi. Wife was like no way. Went with emby becuase it had both. 


rb99:
Loryda, don't know if it helps much, but as far as I know, Emby has a TV guide Grid, Plex doesn't (yet).


A proper EPG is the number 1 must for the wife to use any system, i had really hoped the days of EPG scrapers, xml files, scripts on schedules etc was over as ultimately thats what killed cutting the cord last time i played around with it.  Could get it going, but keeping it going required way too much work, and the initial set-up was a nightmare.

I would IPTV as much as i could, but realistically as we dont have fiber yet most of our programming still comes, and will come off the airwaves.

Help me understand how i could get this to work with Emby, assuming its the same as the others really..?

HomeRun Connect on the network, NextPVR running on Server, NextPVR provides LiveTV and DVR functions to Emby Server via NextPVR Emby App.  Guide data provided by NextPVR?? Or is this via an EPC Collector & scheduled script to create a XML file for Emby to use?

Cheers!
Alex.


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  Reply # 1850300 22-Aug-2017 12:55
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loryda:

 

xyf:
Plex not having an old school guide was the main reason i didnt go with that solution fyi. Wife was like no way. Went with emby becuase it had both. 


rb99:
Loryda, don't know if it helps much, but as far as I know, Emby has a TV guide Grid, Plex doesn't (yet).


A proper EPG is the number 1 must for the wife to use any system, i had really hoped the days of EPG scrapers, xml files, scripts on schedules etc was over as ultimately thats what killed cutting the cord last time i played around with it.  Could get it going, but keeping it going required way too much work, and the initial set-up was a nightmare.

I would IPTV as much as i could, but realistically as we dont have fiber yet most of our programming still comes, and will come off the airwaves.

Help me understand how i could get this to work with Emby, assuming its the same as the others really..?

HomeRun Connect on the network, NextPVR running on Server, NextPVR provides LiveTV and DVR functions to Emby Server via NextPVR Emby App.  Guide data provided by NextPVR?? Or is this via an EPC Collector & scheduled script to create a XML file for Emby to use?

Cheers!
Alex.

 

 

Can't remember if you said anywhere, but I assume you're on DVB-T ? I presume so other wise Homeruns won't work. If that's fine then you just need a homerun, I think any recent network homerun works fine, though as I'm on DVB-S I don't know much about their model line up.

 

You won't need NextPVR at all to use with Emby as Emby'll talk directly to it. Not so sure about a guide. Most people with Emby and a Homerun use SchedulesDirect, which isn't available in NZ. It might just get the Guide off OTA, otherwise you can, as far as I know, add an xml guide like that found if you google 'xml nz au guide' (sorry can't attach the link) which that guy keeps up to date and you map the channels to the guide.

 

Again for all the Emby features you need to pay. Would be best to try it for a month $5US I think to see if its acceptable.

 

As you might have seen here, channel swapping can be really slow (about 11 sec for me), but I believe with a Homerun its way quicker.





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  Reply # 1850318 22-Aug-2017 13:19
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rb99:

 

 

 

Can't remember if you said anywhere, but I assume you're on DVB-T ?

 



TBH, im assuming too.  Settlement on the house isnt until October.. I should really check.


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  Reply # 1850328 22-Aug-2017 13:42
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You can check now if you are in coverage from the freeview site somewhere.

 

 

 

All of what you said is kind of correct but yes no need for nextpvr. Currently my nextpvr does get the guide through the dvbt transmission, works great. Emby isnt great for livetv if its your main focus, its only our 3rd focus really as i wanted to move away from it this year and over to ondemand apps as much as possible. I went android tv for the front end because i love the concept of chromecast and wanted to use it more, tvnz and three now support chromecasting so its easy as to setup. Also i was just sick of dealing with a keyboard and htpc all the time. Now my server sits there watching some torrent sites for the shows we like and if its not on there it will record or we use ondemand or netflix. 

 

Only other thing to remember is make sure you home network is good, i also just AC'd our wifi but if possible always wire your main boxes in. 




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  Reply # 1851785 24-Aug-2017 11:12
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So im going to go with Plex for the time being, will run NextPVR over the top and scrape the EPG data.  If i have to, i can always change down the road to Emby or Kodi or whatever..

Finalized the shopping list (below).  Any suggestions or recomendations on hardware or places to buy?

Thanks again for all the help team, really appreciated!

Cheers,
Alex


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