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Topic # 26434 22-Sep-2008 17:41
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This post attempts to explain how to use the encoded (scambled) Sky channels to get an 'auto' updated EPG for Sky channels in VMC with TV Pack 2008, so you don't have to watch each to get an updated EPG. This is for, of course, the new Vista TV Pack 2008.

This approach is a little long winded, but it gets the desired result given what we've got to work with. I've only tried this with Vista Media Center, so am unsure if it works with any other media applications.

1. First of all set up your Freeview and Sky TV channels as per usual. If you aren't running Sky directly in VMC or don't have Sky, then just set up Freeview. I'll call these your 'watchable' channels.

2. Do a transponder scan on the following transponders (depending on what channels you require) to pick up the 'raw' (encoded) Sky channels. (note that this is a list of only the channels I have. If you subscribe to any other Sky channels, you'll need to find the appropriate transponders)

12421H - CI, CNBC, Fashion TV, Alt TV, Fox News, Documentary Channel
12519H - 63, Cartoon Network, Sky News
12546H - Food Television, History Channel, Living Channel, Playhouse, Sky Sport 1, Sky Sport H/L?s
12581H - BBC World, Nat Geographic, Sky Sport 2, UKTV, Vibe
12608H - Discovery, E!, Juice TV, Shine, Sky Sport 3, the BOX
12644H - C4, ESPN, Nickelodeon, TV 3
12671H - Trackside, TV 2, TV One
12707H - Animal Planet, CNN, Disney Channel, MTV, Prime

(For Alt TV, Documentary Channel, and Fox News, these channels actually appear after the scan for the Freeview channels.  You'll see them in the channel list with a little padlock against them.  Use these to set up your EPG as per below)

You will use these scrambled channels to update your EPG.

3. Now this is an important step. All of the new channels scanned in above will be allocated to the last numbers in your guide. Go through and edit the name of each and add something like EPG to the end. This is so you can distinguish the 'watchable' channels from the scrambled ones apart when you continue with the set up.

4. In Tasks>TV>Guide, select Edit Listings of one of the working channels in your list. From the list of channels presented, scroll down until you find the equivalent scrambled Sky channel (which should have something like EPG at the end of the name as set up in step 3). Click on that channel and select the option which merges the guide from that channel with your 'watchable' channel (the second option in the list).

5. Complete step 4 for all your 'watchable' channels.

6. Select one channel from each transponder (I use a channel which I hardly watch for reasons which will become more apparent in the next step), and rename it EPG1, EPG2 etc.

7. Go through the rest of the scrambled Sky channels and hide them from the VMC guide. Leave the ones you've renamed to EGP1, EPG2 etc visible in the guide, and give them the highest channel numbers. I've started mine from 501 and upwards. Because these channels are visible in your guide, you want them to be channels that you hardly ever watch so you don't try to watch them by mistake as they are scrambled and unwatchable.

8. Set up regular recordings for each of the EPG1, EPG2 etc channels you have. Each time they record, they will update the guide on all the channels for which they share the same responder. I've set mine up to record for 1 minute each in the middle of the night (using MANUAL record), and set the series to overwrite the last recording. I've found that if you watch one channel on a transponder, it updates the guide for ALL channels on that same transponder, even if you watch one of the scrambled channels. Recording that one channel does the same trick as watching it.

The drawbacks of this setup is that you have random unwatchable channels in your guide. But if you put them at the end of the guide, and use channels which you do not watch often, this limits any confusion. Also, you'll have X number of recorded programs which will always be there, which clutter up your recorded TV section somewhat. Thirdly, you'll have loads of extra scheduled recordings listed. Finally, you'll have a tuner conflict if you try to record a program at the same time the guide is updating. I got around this by recording to update the guide in the dead of the night.

The benefits are that your guide is always up to date, and that recording from your Freeview feed is 100% stable (ok, as close as VMC lets you get to being stable anyway).

Hopefully this guide makes sense. If there are parts which are hard to understand, please let me know and I'll reword accordingly.

I hope this helps someone else as much as it has helped me!

EDIT - I've updated the format of this post, a couple of key instructions, the list of transponders, and changed it to reflect the recent VMC update which removes the Freeview series recording issue.

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  Reply # 166472 23-Sep-2008 10:05
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Thanks for the info satch!  I'll give it a go in a day or two when I get the time.  I'll also report the findings to the Microsoft tech who is working through this with us as well.

Cheers!

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  Reply # 167443 26-Sep-2008 21:53
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oh man...

thanks for the link satch, but this flies quite a way over my head.  i don't have sky so i think i'll make do for now.

Cheers

 
 
 
 


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Reply # 167450 26-Sep-2008 23:24
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Hey Meanderingmark,

It doesn't matter if you have Sky or not.  It's about using their EPG, instead of the Freeview one.  SkyTV shares the Optus D1 satellite with Freeview, so their EPG data is being broadcast from the same place.

Give it a go and see if you can get it work.  Satch puts in a lot of effort to compile this stuff for us,

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  Reply # 173138 23-Oct-2008 18:32
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Hey thanks for that, i just did it for tv 1, 2 and 3. EPG guide recording seems to work well now thanks



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  Reply # 173342 24-Oct-2008 13:19
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Bash69: Hey thanks for that, i just did it for tv 1, 2 and 3. EPG guide recording seems to work well now thanks


No worries mate.  One day the software might just work properly...



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  Reply # 184351 15-Dec-2008 18:23
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I've completed updating my original post so now it is more accurate.

Please anyone let me know if you have any questions.


Satch.

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  Reply # 185694 22-Dec-2008 15:24
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Mine seems to be dropping recordings now :(

Sometimes it will miss scheduled one off recordings and other times it will only record a portion of the programme. Anywhere from 1 minute to 20 minutes, then stop..

yeah yeah, I know, start again Tongue out

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  Reply # 185696 22-Dec-2008 15:29
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Asmodeus: Mine seems to be dropping recordings now :(

Sometimes it will miss scheduled one off recordings and other times it will only record a portion of the programme. Anywhere from 1 minute to 20 minutes, then stop..

yeah yeah, I know, start again Tongue out

*sigh*


It is doing this after you set up the EPG as per my guide?  Which channels have you experienced this on so far?  If One, Two, 3 and C4, then it sounds awfully like you still have the Freeview guide operating.

That being the case, you will only need to reasign those channels.  If it is affecting Sky only channels too, then I have no idea sorry.

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  Reply # 185697 22-Dec-2008 15:47
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Satch:EDIT - ...and changed it to reflect the recent VMC update which removes the Freeview series recording issue.


Satch you might want to change it back as we have found the patch still does not fix the series issueFrown







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  Reply # 185698 22-Dec-2008 15:52
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Nety: Satch you might want to change it back as we have found the patch still does not fix the series issueFrown


Good idea.  I'll try to get to it sometime over Xmas.  Have a good one.

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  Reply # 185703 22-Dec-2008 16:21
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Satch:
Asmodeus: Mine seems to be dropping recordings now :(

Sometimes it will miss scheduled one off recordings and other times it will only record a portion of the programme. Anywhere from 1 minute to 20 minutes, then stop..

yeah yeah, I know, start again Tongue out

*sigh*


It is doing this after you set up the EPG as per my guide?  Which channels have you experienced this on so far?  If One, Two, 3 and C4, then it sounds awfully like you still have the Freeview guide operating.

That being the case, you will only need to reasign those channels.  If it is affecting Sky only channels too, then I have no idea sorry.


Yeah, it's doing it on sky channels. The docos are normally the only thing I record overnight. Not to worry. I will have a tinker :)

Enjoy your christmas!




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  Reply # 185802 23-Dec-2008 12:44
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Ok, that is strange.  My setup is 100% stable in terms of recordings from Sky.  That is though when the DVBSBridge feed does not drop, and it's still doing that too often for my liking...

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OK I now have a problem. Using the 12644H transponder I was getting EPG data for TV 3 etc but it has now stopped providing any data or for some reason media center cant download the data. All the other transponders seem to be fine.

Are the any other transponders that put out the epg for TV 3?







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  Reply # 190209 17-Jan-2009 18:13
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Satch: Ok, that is strange.  My setup is 100% stable in terms of recordings from Sky.  That is though when the DVBSBridge feed does not drop, and it's still doing that too often for my liking...


Why are you using DVBSBridge? I thought you were running the TV pack now?







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  Reply # 190231 17-Jan-2009 20:34
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Nety:
Satch: Ok, that is strange.  My setup is 100% stable in terms of recordings from Sky.  That is though when the DVBSBridge feed does not drop, and it's still doing that too often for my liking...


Why are you using DVBSBridge? I thought you were running the TV pack now?


I'm using DVBSBridge to feed Sky into Media Center.  Oh and I've ditched the TV Pack in favour of Windows 7...

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