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  Reply # 307654 16-Mar-2010 07:15
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The iphone tvguide has also been affected.
http://www.orsome.co.nz/tvGuide.html

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  Reply # 307666 16-Mar-2010 08:32
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Thanks SBiddle

Might be time to fork out some cash! :-)

By the way... am I right in thinking that the full 7-day EPG can be extracted from the DVB-S freeview signal by Mediaportal or is it still only the Now/Next ?? Anyone know?

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  Reply # 307674 16-Mar-2010 08:51
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dklong: Thanks SBiddle

Might be time to fork out some cash! :-)

By the way... am I right in thinking that the full 7-day EPG can be extracted from the DVB-S freeview signal by Mediaportal or is it still only the Now/Next ?? Anyone know?

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The full EPG is broadcast on DVB-S using the DVB EIT tables that Media Portal along with virtually every other piece of TV software can pick up.

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  Reply # 307675 16-Mar-2010 08:57
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dklong: Thanks SBiddle

Might be time to fork out some cash! :-)

By the way... am I right in thinking that the full 7-day EPG can be extracted from the DVB-S freeview signal by Mediaportal or is it still only the Now/Next ?? Anyone know?

Cheers

 
Yes and gbpvr can do similar.  Including dumping the EPG to a file so that you can split/edit it.

The official freeview listing files (in xml format) are also quite usefull, but they're not strictly a proper xmltv format, and do take a little massaging (I think this is what reven now uses as his primary source, rather than screen scraping the sky/Telstraclear web pages).  But that said it doesn't take my to make them into xmltv format.

Whether that help an MCE use I don't know, as I've never personally looked at the MCE epg file format.  But GBPVR/Media Portal/MythTV etc all use xmltv file format.







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  Reply # 307682 16-Mar-2010 09:34
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davidcole: The official freeview listing files (in xml format) are also quite usefull, but they're not strictly a proper xmltv format, and do take a little massaging (I think this is what reven now uses as his primary source, rather than screen scraping the sky/Telstraclear web pages).  But that said it doesn't take my to make them into xmltv format.


http://vangelder.orcon.net.nz/files/FreeviewToXMLTV.zip

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  Reply # 307696 16-Mar-2010 10:02
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So is anyone using xmlTVNZ with BSE? Or is it best not to use BSE with xmlTVNZ?

At this stage my EPG source still appears to be up but if it is taken down too I will need to be able to switch in a hurry so would like to have a plan in place now.







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  Reply # 307700 16-Mar-2010 10:08
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Long-term the best solution has to be extracting the data from the DVB-T broadcast EPG using a tool like the one sbiddle mentioned early in this thread:
sbiddle: Leith Bade did some fantastic work on this here writing an MHEG5 to XML extraction tool, very few people seem to have taken advantage of it.


That has to be the best type of solution as it doesn't involve any third party publishing the EPG information, and so it isn't subject to the type of legal challenge that has caused the current issue. Unfortunately Leith Bade's tool does appear to need some work before it is really ready for mainstream use.

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  Reply # 307803 16-Mar-2010 13:28
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Thanks again Sbiddle

I hadn't realised that 'only' the DVB-T went with the MHEG5 version. Nice to see that they are consistent across the two platforms! :-)

I agree with Deev8 that getting a solution that will keep working would be nice. I guess an option becomes whether to buy an entry-level DVB-S card just for the EPG data. Sounds like it 'should' keep working for some time to come.

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  Reply # 307807 16-Mar-2010 13:36
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DVB-S also uses MHEG5 for the official EPG, but the EIT EPG was also transmitted due to the number of devices already in use when Freeview was launched.

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  Reply # 307861 16-Mar-2010 16:15
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Interesting... So not as daft as I thought!

I guess the question is... how long will they keep transmitting both the EIT and the MHEG5 versions. I guess if it is in place and doesn't cost them anything then they may keep doing so for some time.

Only time will tell.


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  Reply # 307871 16-Mar-2010 16:31
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rvangelder: freeview have xml files available on their website.
whether they're secret files or not is unknown.

these files aren't xmltv, but with a little conversion they can be.
my program downloads and converts those files into xmltv.
http://vangelder.orcon.net.nz/files/FreeviewToXMLTV.zip
i tried running it, it seems to still work. just freeview channels. no sky.

i used to use this as an external app for epgstream.net but since epgstream is not yet windows 7 compatible, i just use the inbuilt dvb-s eit stream.



Don't suppose you could modify this to pass through the <video><quality> flag by any chance ie the HD flags, these are in the xml files on the Freeview site.

I've gone back to using my old EIT scraper, but unfortunately the <quality> flag either isn't broadcast using DVB-S EIT or DVBGuide doesn't recognise it.

This doesn't present any issues for Sky, who use HD through the title etc (easy enough to script this into useable info, but for Freeview, well thats another story.

Not a biggy if its alot of work.

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  Reply # 307887 16-Mar-2010 16:41
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This is the script which was being used to provide the Freeview data on epg.pvr.geek.nz

http://nice.net.nz/scripts/epgsnoop-grabber

Compatible (Freeview only) data to what was on epg.pvr.geek.nz is now being hosted at http://nzepg.org




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  Reply # 307894 16-Mar-2010 16:52
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RustyGonad:
rvangelder: freeview have xml files available on their website. 
whether they're secret files or not is unknown.

these files aren't xmltv, but with a little conversion they can be.
my program downloads and converts those files into xmltv.
http://vangelder.orcon.net.nz/files/FreeviewToXMLTV.zip
i tried running it, it seems to still work. just freeview channels. no sky.

i used to use this as an external app for epgstream.net but since epgstream is not yet windows 7 compatible, i just use the inbuilt dvb-s eit stream.



Don't suppose you could modify this to pass through the flag by any chance ie the HD flags, these are in the xml files on the Freeview site.

I've gone back to using my old EIT scraper, but unfortunately the flag either isn't broadcast using DVB-S EIT or DVBGuide doesn't recognise it.

This doesn't present any issues for Sky, who use HD through the title etc (easy enough to script this into useable info, but for Freeview, well thats another story.

Not a biggy if its alot of work.

Cheers,



 

My one does pass the quality through - I am setting it to "HDTV" if the HD flag is set.

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  Reply # 307908 16-Mar-2010 17:22
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Thanks Hads

Now... if we can point FreeviewNZ-EPG to this site instead... we might be back in business. Might be time to try a LocalHosts entry when I get home and see if it can be fooled into using this IP address.

Cheers

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