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  Reply # 522570 18-Sep-2011 10:09
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I'm assuming you want the TSWriter log for the session I captured those screenshots in?  The error.log file was empty.


18-09-2011 00:38:39.199 CMpTs::ctor()
18-09-2011 00:38:39.201 CMpTsFilterPin:ctor
18-09-2011 00:38:39.211 PatParser:Reset(0)
18-09-2011 00:38:39.213 NIT:Reset
18-09-2011 00:38:39.215 PatParser::Reset done
18-09-2011 00:38:39.217 epg:ResetEPG()
18-09-2011 00:38:39.219 mhw ctor
18-09-2011 00:38:39.764 analyzer: reset
18-09-2011 00:38:39.766 PatParser:Reset(0)
18-09-2011 00:38:39.768 NIT:Reset
18-09-2011 00:38:39.769 PatParser::Reset done
18-09-2011 00:38:39.772 cagrabber: reset
18-09-2011 00:38:39.795 epg: reset
18-09-2011 00:38:39.797 epg:ResetEPG()
18-09-2011 00:38:39.799 mhw reset
18-09-2011 00:38:39.826 CMpTsFilter::Pause()
18-09-2011 00:38:41.898 CMpTsFilter::Run()
18-09-2011 00:38:42.135 pmtgrabber: set callback:3c0038
18-09-2011 00:38:42.137 pmtgrabber: grab pmt:64 sid:4b0
18-09-2011 00:38:42.152 pmtgrabber: got pmt 64 sid:4b0
18-09-2011 00:38:42.154 pmtgrabber: PMT pids changed from:
18-09-2011 00:38:42.156  pcr      pid:    0
18-09-2011 00:38:42.159  pmt      pid:    0
18-09-2011 00:38:42.163 pmtgrabber: PMT pids changed to:
18-09-2011 00:38:42.165  pcr      pid:   fa
18-09-2011 00:38:42.168  pmt      pid:   64
18-09-2011 00:38:42.170  video    pid:   fa type: H264
18-09-2011 00:38:42.172  audio    pid:  12c language: eng type: LATM AAC
18-09-2011 00:38:42.174  audio    pid:  131 language: ita type: LATM AAC
18-09-2011 00:38:42.176  audio    pid:  191 language: eng type: AC3
18-09-2011 00:38:42.178  Subtitle pid:  3fc language: eng type: DVB subtitle 2
18-09-2011 00:38:42.180 pmtgrabber: got new pmt version:1e ffffffff, service_id:4b0
18-09-2011 00:38:42.183 pmtgrabber: do callback pid 64
18-09-2011 00:38:42.288 analyzer: set video pid:fa
18-09-2011 00:38:42.290 analyzer: reset
18-09-2011 00:38:42.300 analyzer: set audio pid:12c
18-09-2011 00:38:42.302 analyzer: reset
18-09-2011 00:38:42.315 analyzer: set audio pid:191
18-09-2011 00:38:42.318 analyzer: reset
18-09-2011 00:38:43.54 Recorder: TIMESHIFT SetVideoAudioObserver observer ok
18-09-2011 00:38:43.57 Recorder: TIMESHIFT set filename:T:\TV\Raw Recordings\live2-0.ts
18-09-2011 00:38:43.64 Recorder: TIMESHIFT paused=yes
18-09-2011 00:38:43.66 Recorder: TIMESHIFT Received from TvService: pmt pid:0x64 serviceId: 0x4b0 pmtlength:141
18-09-2011 00:38:43.69 Recorder: TIMESHIFT Old pids cleared
18-09-2011 00:38:43.71 Recorder: TIMESHIFT got pmt - tableid: 0x2 section_length: 141 sid: 0x4b0
18-09-2011 00:38:43.74 Recorder: TIMESHIFT PMT parsed  - Pid 0x64 ServiceId 0x4b0 stream count: 7
18-09-2011 00:38:43.76 Recorder: TIMESHIFT pcr pid:0xfa
18-09-2011 00:38:43.78 Recorder: TIMESHIFT SetPcrPid clear old PIDs
18-09-2011 00:38:43.81 Recorder: TIMESHIFT add video stream pid: 0xfa fake pid: 0x30 stream type: 0x1b logical type: 0x1b descriptor length: 3
18-09-2011 00:38:43.84 Recorder: TIMESHIFT add audio stream pid: 0x12c fake pid: 0x40 stream type: 0x11 logical type: 0x11 descriptor length: 13
18-09-2011 00:38:43.86 Recorder: TIMESHIFT add audio stream pid: 0x131 fake pid: 0x41 stream type: 0x11 logical type: 0x11 descriptor length: 21
18-09-2011 00:38:43.89 Recorder: TIMESHIFT add audio stream pid: 0x191 fake pid: 0x42 stream type: 0x6 logical type: 0x81 descriptor length: 14
18-09-2011 00:38:43.91 Recorder: TIMESHIFT stream rejected - pid: 0x3ea stream type: 0xb logical type: 0xb descriptor length: 22
18-09-2011 00:38:43.93 Recorder: TIMESHIFT add teletext stream pid: 0x3f2 fake pid: 0x60 stream type: 0x6 logical type: 0x56 descriptor length: 7
18-09-2011 00:38:43.95 Recorder: TIMESHIFT add subtitle stream pid: 0x3fc fake pid: 0x50 stream type: 0x6 logical type: 0x6 descriptor length: 13
18-09-2011 00:38:43.98 Recorder: TIMESHIFT paused=no
18-09-2011 00:38:43.104 Recorder: TIMESHIFT Start 'T:\TV\Raw Recordings\live2-0.ts.tsbuffer'
18-09-2011 00:38:43.111 Recorder: TIMESHIFT start of video detected
18-09-2011 00:38:43.123 Recorder: TIMESHIFT clear TS packet queue
18-09-2011 00:38:43.126 Recorder: TIMESHIFT Info : Next broadcaster program clock reference rollover : 0 days 07:25:48 0
18-09-2011 00:38:43.522 Recorder: TIMESHIFT start of audio detected
18-09-2011 00:38:43.533 Recorder: TIMESHIFT start of audio detected
18-09-2011 00:38:43.545 Recorder: TIMESHIFT start of audio detected
18-09-2011 00:56:40.559 Recorder: TIMESHIFT Stop 'T:\TV\Raw Recordings\live2-0.ts.tsbuffer'
18-09-2011 00:56:40.567 Recorder: TIMESHIFT Reset
18-09-2011 00:56:40.595 del m_pVideoAnalyzer
18-09-2011 00:56:40.598 analyzer: reset
18-09-2011 00:56:40.604 del m_pPmtGrabber
18-09-2011 00:56:40.606 del m_pRecorder
18-09-2011 00:56:40.609 del m_pTimeShifting
18-09-2011 00:56:40.611 del m_pTeletextGrabber
18-09-2011 00:56:40.614 del m_pCaGrabber
18-09-2011 00:56:40.617 del done...
18-09-2011 00:56:40.650 CMpTsFilter::Pause()
18-09-2011 00:56:40.654 CMpTsFilter::Stop()


I also found these errors in the TSReader log file:


18-09-2011 00:44:35.286 [e68]Video Continuity error... c ( prev a )
18-09-2011 00:44:37.018 [1040]vid:set discontinuity

18-09-2011 00:44:50.720 [e68]Video Continuity error... c ( prev a )
18-09-2011 00:44:52.450 [1040]vid:set discontinuity
18-09-2011 00:45:02.745 [e68]Video Continuity error... 7 ( prev 5 )
18-09-2011 00:45:03.933 [1040]vid:set discontinuity



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  Reply # 522593 18-Sep-2011 11:09
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Those screen shots from SamF are exactly what I am getting. As suggested earlier in the thread I applied the latest Intel drivers for the G840 (thought I had them, thought wrong) and I think I have seen an improvement, but still there.

The thing is I am using Win7 MC, not MP.

Hauppauge card though, and still Win7.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 522595 18-Sep-2011 11:24
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The issue isn't the media player / TV app used, I've definitely proven that.  This happens in MP, MC & WinTV (the Hauppauge provided TV app).

Also I've eliminated video drivers as a cause; I've tried a number of different versions with no change and seen the corruption come and go with no driver changes (only swapping back to XP on my media PC) on my main PC running a remote MP client.

So we have 2 points in common; a Hauppauge card and Win7.  As I mentioned before, my brother is running a Hauppauge HVR2200 on Win7 without any issues...???



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  Reply # 522602 18-Sep-2011 11:31
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SamF: 

So we have 2 points in common; a Hauppauge card and Win7.  As I mentioned before, my brother is running a Hauppauge HVR2200 on Win7 without any issues...???


I've tried Hauppauge and Avermedia tuners, ATI & Nvidia video cards. video stutter/pixelation is reduced on Nvidia but still present.

Win7 Pro 64bit  Mediacentre. What Motherboards are you guys using? I'm Asus P7P55D-E. Have you tried a motherboard BIOS update, thats my next test.

Regards Allen. 

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  Reply # 522611 18-Sep-2011 12:09
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Oh yeah, I forgot you'd tried the other tuner.  Still, they may have something in common...

I'm pulling out my tuner card and putting it in my main PC now.

My media PC has an Asus P5N-E mainboard.

smac: which version of the Hauppauge drivers are you running?

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  Reply # 522656 18-Sep-2011 14:31
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Ok, I put the tuner card into my main PC, a pretty much clean new build of Win7 & installed the latest Hauppauge drivers and MP; there is still corruption!

So that rules out the mainboard & any mainboard drivers!

So the only logical conclusion is that there is something wrong with the tuner Win7 drivers, or some component of Win7 which is interfering with these particular cards.


Can anyone see a flaw in my logic or the elimination process I've taken?

Possible causes for this issue
Media Application
PC or Tuner Hardware
Video Drivers or Codecs
PC or Tuner Drivers
OS incompatibility


Elimination Steps
Same hardware & OS, different media apps; Corruption present in all apps.
Conclusion: Issue is not a media application one.

Same hardware, different OS; XP - Fine. Win7 - Corruption.
Conclusion: Hardware is fine

Same MP Client, different MP TV Server OS; Win7 TV Server, Win7 Client - Corruption.  XP TV Server, Unchanged Win7 Client - Fine.
Conclusion: Issue is not video codecs or video drivers & the issue is in the back end, not a display one at all.

Same tuner, different PC hardware; Corruption follows the card.
Conclusion:
Issue is not PC hardware drivers.

Same hardware, different tuner driver versions; Corruption continues regardless of driver version.
Conclusion: Issue is not a driver version issue, but this doesn't rule out some version-spanning issue in the driver.

Overall Conclusion: Issue is some kind of issue with Hauppauge tuner cards in Win7 or is a common issue with Hauppauge Win7 tuner drivers.

The only spanner in the works here is the fact that Allen has tried a different tuner card altogether and is still seeing the same issue, but I'm not 100% sure now if Allen's issue is the same as what I'm seeing...  Allen, does the corruption I'm seeing look like the corruption you're seeing?  Also, are you able to take a physical look at both of your tuner cards to see if you can see any similarities in the tuner modules?  I guess there might not be much to see however as they are shielded...  Maybe we can find the tuner module chipset information on the net?  (found this on the Hauppauge cards)

smac, I just had a thought that perhaps the revision of your Hauppauge HVR2200 is different to my brother's (might even use slightly different drivers), and this might be why his works and yours doesn't...  Also, are you in a position to be able to run up a temporary WinXP install to see if the issue goes away?

This could still be some general issue with some tuner cards and Win7, although I would have thought that it would be much more widespread than what we're seeing.



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  Reply # 522667 18-Sep-2011 15:30
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The TsReader logs you posted earlier indicate you have signal quality issues. It may be intermittent if you haven't observed the problems in XP, however I think you'd find they show up in time...

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  Reply # 522670 18-Sep-2011 15:44
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Yeah, we were running XP for months with the same card & aerial, no issues whatsoever.  Also, if I plug the aerial it into the HD tuner in the TV it's perfect.  Even now, XP is perfect, Win7 shows corruption within minutes or seconds.



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  Reply # 522672 18-Sep-2011 15:49
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mm1352000: The TsReader logs you posted earlier indicate you have signal quality issues. It may be intermittent if you haven't observed the problems in XP, however I think you'd find they show up in time...

mm


This may be irrelevant but on my PC the Hauppauge signal meter has been running all afternoon and signal quality is C/N 33, zero errors but media centre is showing signal quality between  54% & 90% today depending on the channel mux.

My problems are worse when the PC is doing something else. I suspect there is a resource conflict somewhere. The PC is for all intents and purposes idling.

Allen.

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  Reply # 522674 18-Sep-2011 16:00
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Allen, I just found this in my MP notes which may assist you with your jumpy framerate:


Issues with High CPU & low / stuttering framerate (DXVA / Video Acceleration not being used)
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I'm not 100% sure what fixed this issue when I solved it last, but there are some of the things I played with (AFAIK, I returned them all to their original settings but it was still working properly).

For a start, when viewing the GPU loads in GPU-Z; when DXVA / hardware video acceleration is going, the 'Video Engine Load' will be more than 0% (55% on my 8400GS) & 'GPU needs to be more than 26% (50% on my 8400GS)

Stuff I played with:
- Disabled & re-enabled DXVA via SAF start menu options (reg key mod)
- Turned VNC video hook driver & full screen polling on/off
- Disabled & re-enabled 'Remove Wallpaper' & 'Disable Aero' in VNC Server


I guess you've done a clean install so VNC is probably not the issue, and you have low CPU usage, but I just thought I'd post that anyway in case it helps :)

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  Reply # 522675 18-Sep-2011 16:07
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SamF: Yeah, we were running XP for months with the same card & aerial, no issues whatsoever.  Also, if I plug the aerial it into the HD tuner in the TV it's perfect.  Even now, XP is perfect, Win7 shows corruption within minutes or seconds.

The thing that gets me is that the errors occur in the same place when you watch recordings back, and that the issues occur independent of software. If that is the case then the problems are being inserted into the source. The only ways that I'm aware of that this could happen are:
1. Signal issues.
2. HDD issues.

If it isn't 1 then check that you haven't got an AV scanning your timeshifting and recording folders. If this is happening independent of software then it seems unlikely that this could be the cause, however I guess you never know.

To be extremely clear: if the corruption is logged in TsReader logs then this is a *source* problem, not a rendering (video driver, codec etc.) problem.

mm



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  Reply # 522696 18-Sep-2011 17:04
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Just done a motherboard BIOS update. I'll report after I've watched for a while.

I did however notice that the BIOS option for PnP OS was set to "No" IE allow BIOS to configure PnP devices. This is the default setting.

What should it be? Or dosn't it matter?
I'll do a full windows backup and try changing it to OS later and see what happens.

Regards Allen. 

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  Reply # 522700 18-Sep-2011 17:19
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Naa, that PnP thing is nothing, don't think windows even takes notice of it TBH. Don't need to reinstall to switch it on in any case.

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  Reply # 522701 18-Sep-2011 17:19
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Hi Allen

I've wondered that myself - recently changed from BIOS to OS control on Windows XP. I was hoping it would help with a specific problem that I have with certain cards in my PC that aren't recognised during boot sometimes. When they're not picked up, rescanning for devices in device manager wasn't helping. The change doesn't seem to have helped for me. I don't think it would help with your issue either.

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  Reply # 522732 18-Sep-2011 19:26
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SamF: Naa, that PnP thing is nothing, don't think windows even takes notice of it TBH. Don't need to reinstall to switch it on in any case.


Backup was just in case Windows got corrupted after changing the setting.

I havn't seen any serious pixelating/stutter issues since the BIOS update even when doing a backup and system image to my NAS. I won't get my hopes up just yet but fingers crossed...

Regards Allen. 

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