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# 100857 19-Apr-2012 20:30
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Looking at switching from XNet to SNAP and thinking about VDSL2.
According to the Chorus wholesale map i'm within VDSL2 range, is there a way to see what kind of sync rates i'll get on VDSL2 on SNAP's VDSL2 plans without signing up for a 12 month contract?

My current ADSL2 stats are: (From my cisco 877)

ATM0
Alcatel 20190 chipset information
                ATU-R (DS)                      ATU-C (US)
Modem Status:    Showtime (DMTDSL_SHOWTIME)
DSL Mode:        ITU G.992.5 (ADSL2+) Annex A
ITU STD NUM:     0x03                            0x2
Chip Vendor ID:  'STMI'                          'BDCM'
Chip Vendor Specific:  0x0000                    0xA1F2
Chip Vendor Country:   0x0F                      0xB5
Modem Vendor ID: 'CSCO'                          'BDCM'
Modem Vendor Specific: 0x0000                    0x0000
Modem Vendor Country:  0xB5                      0xB5
Serial Number Near:    FHK103121Z2
Serial Number Far:
Modem VerChip ID:        C196 (0) capability-enabled
DFE BOM:         DFE2.6 Annex A (0)
Capacity Used:   100%                            100%
Noise Margin:    11.0 dB                         12.0 dB
Output Power:    18.5 dBm                        12.5 dBm
Attenuation:     24.0 dB                          9.0 dB
FEC ES Errors:    0                               0
ES Errors:        0                               3
SES Errors:       0                               1
LOSES Errors:     0                               0
UES Errors:       0                              2017
Defect Status:   None                            None
Last Fail Code:  None

                 DS Channel1      DS Channel0   US Channel1       US Channel0
Speed (kbps):             0            16682             0               872
Interleave Delay:         0               19             0                55



If i'm not going to get at least ~30mbit down, there's no point in paying an extra $50 a month for it..


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  # 612125 19-Apr-2012 20:34
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Tbh may not get much preformance cause of the downtream attn.
Normally anything over 19-20db you'll have very steep speed drops.

Either ring / email them and ask though doesn't hurt to enquire eh.
Btw you'd prob need to upgrade to a 887 va :P

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  # 612130 19-Apr-2012 20:40
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if you ring Snap they will run tests on your line to see what VSDL2 will sync at and if Chorus will connect you, but in general you have to be around 12 dB attenuation to be connected, it looks like you are to far away from the cabinet to be connected , i rang snap and my line Attenuation is 18 dB and Snap told me it wouldnt be worth it.




Common sense is not as common as you think.


 
 
 
 


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  # 612132 19-Apr-2012 20:43
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vexxxboy: if you ring Snap they will run tests on your line to see what VSDL2 will sync at and if Chorus will connect you, but in general you have to be around 12 dB attenuation to be connected, it looks like you are to far away from the cabinet to be connected , i rang snap and my line Attenuation is 18 dB and Snap told me it wouldnt be worth it.



Did they say if the tests said 18db or is your line phsically 18db currently ?
I'm sitting on 19.5db on my VDSL with 34meg downstream sync but I did have to rewire and terminate my entire line to clean it up.

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  # 612143 19-Apr-2012 20:55
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Chorus won't provision VDSL2 if your line attenuation is above 10.8dB - and this isn't a negotiable figure.

An ISP has to complete an automated prequalification which will tell you what the estimated sync rate will be at your address.



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  # 612148 19-Apr-2012 21:03
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sbiddle: Chorus won't provision VDSL2 if your line attenuation is above 10.8dB - and this isn't a negotiable figure.

An ISP has to complete an automated prequalification which will tell you what the estimated sync rate will be at your address.


Hmm, OK. According to SNAP's address thingy i'm elligable but according to my line attenuation, they won't go through with it. Bugger! (I'm in a 30+ apartment complex, so no way i'm getting UFB any time soon because of how screwed apartment complexes are when it comes to UFB)




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  # 612151 19-Apr-2012 21:16
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kyhwana2:
sbiddle: Chorus won't provision VDSL2 if your line attenuation is above 10.8dB - and this isn't a negotiable figure.

An ISP has to complete an automated prequalification which will tell you what the estimated sync rate will be at your address.


Hmm, OK. According to SNAP's address thingy i'm elligable but according to my line attenuation, they won't go through with it. Bugger! (I'm in a 30+ apartment complex, so no way i'm getting UFB any time soon because of how screwed apartment complexes are when it comes to UFB)






They might fiber feed the complex then run ethernet out to the rooms then have PPPoE termination, Just a thought.
What was the attn on the test results?

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  # 612157 19-Apr-2012 21:21
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McGee:

They might fiber feed the complex then run ethernet out to the rooms then have PPPoE termination, Just a thought.
What was the attn on the test results?


This isn't a supported UFB scenario. There is nothing stopping anybody from doing this or smart a body corp from deploying their own solution, but it won't be something your LFC will do.


 
 
 
 




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  # 612164 19-Apr-2012 21:30
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sbiddle:
This isn't a supported UFB scenario. There is nothing stopping anybody from doing this or smart a body corp from deploying their own solution, but it won't be something your LFC will do.



Yep, talking to someone at an ISP looking at doing UFB confirmed that.
You could get a gig service via UFB into a _business premises_ but NOT for something like an apartment complex. What the hell were the idiots that came up with this thinking!?


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  # 612171 19-Apr-2012 21:52
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McGee:
vexxxboy: if you ring Snap they will run tests on your line to see what VSDL2 will sync at and if Chorus will connect you, but in general you have to be around 12 dB attenuation to be connected, it looks like you are to far away from the cabinet to be connected , i rang snap and my line Attenuation is 18 dB and Snap told me it wouldnt be worth it.



Did they say if the tests said 18db or is your line phsically 18db currently ?
I'm sitting on 19.5db on my VDSL with 34meg downstream sync but I did have to rewire and terminate my entire line to clean it up.



Snap did tell me i may get improvement by redoing the wiring , putting in a master splitter etc but they couldnt guarantee it would work so i haven't bothered 




Common sense is not as common as you think.


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  # 612177 19-Apr-2012 22:01
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vexxxboy:
McGee:
vexxxboy: if you ring Snap they will run tests on your line to see what VSDL2 will sync at and if Chorus will connect you, but in general you have to be around 12 dB attenuation to be connected, it looks like you are to far away from the cabinet to be connected , i rang snap and my line Attenuation is 18 dB and Snap told me it wouldnt be worth it.



Did they say if the tests said 18db or is your line phsically 18db currently ?
I'm sitting on 19.5db on my VDSL with 34meg downstream sync but I did have to rewire and terminate my entire line to clean it up.



Snap did tell me i may get improvement by redoing the wiring , putting in a master splitter etc but they couldnt guarantee it would work so i haven't bothered 


Well to give you an idea, Mines was 13meg down 10meg up before I re did mine as a comparison.

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