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mercutio
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  #683618 9-Sep-2012 22:46
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mrchillie.. what he said is reasonable for the "current state of affairs of new zealand internet".

that said, London to Los Angeles is similar ping to Auckland to Los Angeles, and London is to Los Angeles can go considerably faster than that.

it's going to be quite a long time before new zealand speeds really pick up though.

mrchillie
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  #683619 9-Sep-2012 22:55
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mercutio: mrchillie.. what he said is reasonable for the "current state of affairs of new zealand internet".

that said, London to Los Angeles is similar ping to Auckland to Los Angeles, and London is to Los Angeles can go considerably faster than that.

it's going to be quite a long time before new zealand speeds really pick up though.


If that is the case, why on earth would any NZ ISP offer a 100Mbit service at all?
PLUS I should mention this, apparently its a big "to do" to change me down to 30Mbit plan! See, I would be happy if I got 10Mbit on a 30Mbit plan, why be on a more expensive "speedier" plan that doesn't live up to expectations?

 
 
 
 


blair003
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  #683624 9-Sep-2012 23:10
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mrchillie:See, I would be happy if I got 10Mbit on a 30Mbit plan, why be on a more expensive "speedier" plan that doesn't live up to expectations?


Good question - if you are happy with 10Mbit why would you be on a 100Mbit plan?

Beyond a certain point the biggest benefit of more bandwidth is being able to do many things at once without one thing affecting the other. e.g. downloading at 10Mbit and playing a game at the same time without having your ping affected by the download.

mercutio
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  #683626 9-Sep-2012 23:11
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blair003:
mrchillie:See, I would be happy if I got 10Mbit on a 30Mbit plan, why be on a more expensive "speedier" plan that doesn't live up to expectations?


Good question - if you are happy with 10Mbit why would you be on a 100Mbit plan?

Beyond a certain point the biggest benefit of more bandwidth is being able to do many things at once without one thing affecting the?other. e.g. downloading at 10Mbit and playing a game at the same time without having your ping affected by the download.


I sure wouldn't mind 50 megabit internationally for single connection. But I don't think I'd be comfortable paying anywhere near enough to get 100 megabit international.

mrchillie
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  #683627 9-Sep-2012 23:12
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We have multiple nerds living at my place, we all want to be able to download internationally at a good speed. Hence the bigger plan

McGee
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  #683628 9-Sep-2012 23:17
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Sounds to me like you're all complaining about nothing. 

As you've already stated you've been able to get near 100Mbit speeds nationally ?
I'm not really seeing a fault here as you're getting the service that you've applied for.

I think any ISP will struggle to see sustained throughput of 100Mbit to an international site. 
You're also assuming that there is zero congestion upstream allowing for you to have a " perfect dedicated connection "
Not trying to be rude but I think you need to rethink your expectations for this type of service as it still is classed as a " Residential " connection.

mrchillie
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  #683630 9-Sep-2012 23:30
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McGee: Sounds to me like you're all complaining about nothing.?

As you've already stated you've been able to get near 100Mbit speeds nationally ?
I'm not really seeing a fault here as you're getting the service that you've applied for.

I think any ISP will struggle to see sustained throughput of 100Mbit to an international site.?
You're also assuming that there is zero congestion upstream allowing for you to have a " perfect dedicated connection "
Not trying to be rude but I think you need to rethink your expectations for this type of service as it still is classed as a " Residential " connection.


The complaint is that there is no difference Internationally between ADSL2, VDSL, 30Mbit UFB and 100Mbit UFB on Snap.
I thought getting the 100Mbit plan would at least allow me to do more online concurrently. Note that I said concurrently, and am not trying to gain full speed for one website etc. I am not being unreasonable, I am giving my connection every possible attempt to live up to my expectations.
I do not think my expectations are high, I started off expecting to archive a quarter of my connection speed, 25Mbit!
It shouldn't be this hard!


 
 
 
 


McGee
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  #683631 9-Sep-2012 23:35
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Yes but you do realise that no mater what the medium is that you're using it's still using the exactly same international paths ?

Just because you've bought a different delivery medium doesn't mean it's going to give you preferred access over other users or connection types or necessarily increased performance internationally. 

SneakerPimps

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  #683632 9-Sep-2012 23:42
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McGee: Yes but you do realise that no mater what the medium is that you're using it's still using the exactly same international paths ?

Just because you've bought a different delivery medium doesn't mean it's going to give you preferred access over other users or connection types or necessarily increased performance internationally. 

Well there are slightly different paths if you want to be pedantic...

My complaint is that Telecom's ADSL provided a better international throughput than Snap's UFB. I wasn't expecting well under half my 30Mbit connection speed...

I think I just need to wait until Telecom release their UFB plans.

mrchillie
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  #683633 9-Sep-2012 23:53
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McGee: Yes but you do realise that no mater what the medium is that you're using it's still using the exactly same international paths ?

Just because you've bought a different delivery medium doesn't mean it's going to give you preferred access over other users or connection types or necessarily?increased performance internationally.?


Then back to my original argument. Why would anyone get UFB through Snap? There is no benefit! Nothing worth while is available nationally, so if you say that I'm getting what I pay for because I can get full speed nationally is rubbish.
The general idea you would take away would be faster connection = faster service to the things I do online.

blair003
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  #683634 10-Sep-2012 00:03
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mrchillie: 
The complaint is that there is no difference Internationally between ADSL2, VDSL, 30Mbit UFB and 100Mbit UFB on Snap.




That's just not accurate.. keep it factual it helps your argument more. If it were true you will be going back to ADSL2 so you could save money and I wouldn't be able to get much more than 1Mbit upload speeds.

Your actual complaint is that after a certain level e.g. 10Mbit, its hard to max out your bandwidth on an international transfer to the USA. That is true and I don't think it is specific to snap.

mercutio
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  #683635 10-Sep-2012 00:10
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mrchillie:
McGee: Yes but you do realise that no mater what the medium is that you're using it's still using the exactly same international paths ?

Just because you've bought a different delivery medium doesn't mean it's going to give you preferred access over other users or connection types or necessarily?increased performance internationally.?


Then back to my original argument. Why would anyone get UFB through Snap? There is no benefit! Nothing worth while is available nationally, so if you say that I'm getting what I pay for because I can get full speed nationally is rubbish.
The general idea you would take away would be faster connection = faster service to the things I do online.


well why do people get cars that can drive 200k/hour in NZ?

you're still likely to get up to an ok speed faster, have less jitter, get fast nz transfers.

really, i think what has to happen is more nz'ers need to seed on bittorrent, and we need more nz content!!

international speed would be nice, but it'd require quite an expensive commitment for snap to go and get their own transit in the US, which is probably what's needed if wanting to secure fast international speeds at affordable prices.


a good comparison would really be to see how snap speeds compare to telstraclear cable. for 100 megabit ufb versus 100 megabit cable.

SneakerPimps

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  #683642 10-Sep-2012 01:06
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Snap:



Telecom:



So yeah.... if we go back to my original post. I would be happy if Snap's international download was as good Telecom.

mercutio
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  #683643 10-Sep-2012 01:16
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sneake: is that monkeybrains san francisco server? try san jose or los angeles maybe?

some speed test hosts are kind of slow from lots of places.


i usually use los angeles dreamhost for testing. seems to be good from most places.

SneakerPimps

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  #683645 10-Sep-2012 01:39
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Not sure which server, but it was whatever the quickest for SFC. Other places were about the same around the 2Mb mark. I actually just chose the fastest out of the lot from multiple US servers.

Also being 1:30am, I though it would be slightly faster...

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