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  Reply # 833416 10-Jun-2013 10:24
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hamish225: whyyyyyyyyyyyy are we waitinggggggggggggggggggg?


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Also, I really hope there is not a significant difference in costs on these 'new' VDSL plans.  As posted earlier, the base fibre plan seems the same as the ADSL plan, which is very cool.  I'm hoping the VDSL offering now falls say within $5 of these existing plans.  Will require a new modem, and hopefully Telecom etc are not too strict on switching to these plans from an existing 'locked in for 1 year' ADSL plan.

That's a lot of hope there.

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  Reply # 833494 10-Jun-2013 12:50
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hamish225: whyyyyyyyyyyyy are we waitinggggggggggggggggggg?

Because snap still have no significant competition yet in the VDSL space, only small players have undercut them. They already responded in an NBR article that their pricing was competitive compared to voyager for higher data usage, and were evaluating their pricing still.

They may wait to see what the big players do before making their own move - to see how much they need to adjust.

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  Reply # 833526 10-Jun-2013 13:29
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That sounds about right, though if they did move fast they could probably sign up a bunch of new customers; I know 2 people who would probably be keen to jump on the VDSL bandwagon if the price was closer to their current ADSL plans.

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  Reply # 833528 10-Jun-2013 13:31
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Has anyone actually said what the new Chorus pricing IS? I don't think i've seen mention of what actually changed in $ values.

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  Reply # 833529 10-Jun-2013 13:31
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I'm also one of these people looking to jump.

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  Reply # 833568 10-Jun-2013 14:03
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kyhwana2: Has anyone actually said what the new Chorus pricing IS? I don't think i've seen mention of what actually changed in $ values.


My (layman's) understanding is that it was $20 per month extra compared to ADSL, but is now on a par with ADSL, though I believe they have increased the costs for connections, etc which I guess offsets *SOME* of the benefit to ISPs - just depends how they choose to pass on those costs I guess. Also I guess VDSL has a higher likelyhood of increasing the load on ISP helpdesks IF they don't mandate a master splitter when it's installed...


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  Reply # 833571 10-Jun-2013 14:08
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Did anyone see TVNZ news last night - they were talking about VDSL being a competitor in the home user space for UFB - it was the first part of a multipart 'investigation' into UFB/broadband.

They didn't say that the biggest ISPs in NZ do not (yet) offer a VDSL plan.

I saw Paul Brislen in the article - he would be the one to get this point across I would have though.

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  Reply # 833599 10-Jun-2013 15:15
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I don't see how VDSL is competitor to UFB, to me it's a launching pad. If/when I get UFB I'll be changing from VDSL straight away

The sooner I can move off internet delivered via copper the better

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trig42: Did anyone see TVNZ news last night - they were talking about VDSL being a competitor in the home user space for UFB - it was the first part of a multipart 'investigation' into UFB/broadband.

They didn't say that the biggest ISPs in NZ do not (yet) offer a VDSL plan.

I saw Paul Brislen in the article - he would be the one to get this point across I would have though.


What a load of bollocks that was. They showed a graphic comparing speeds of VDSL and UFB and they showed VDSL having the same speed as UFB.
While that may be true for 30/10 UFB profile it most certainly didn't show the potential the UFB network has.  They also didn't talk about the stability of fibre versus copper and that UFB will reach far more people than VDSL can. Plus they failed to mention how long VDSL has actually been available for and that they are only making a fuss about now that the big bad government is spending money on rolling out UFB.
Classic tech bollocks by main stream media.

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  Reply # 833664 10-Jun-2013 16:52
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VDSL2 is a stop gap for people within 1km of the exchange who are not in UFB zones yet.

Lots of central Auckland isn't in the UFB rollout till the end of the thing which is 8+ years from now.

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  Reply # 833672 10-Jun-2013 17:24
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helis: You all fail to understand what absolutely essential means I see. Sure a master filter can but not always improve your speeds. It's far from absolutely essential tho.


No I don't have a misunderstanding at all, I understand entirely what the word essential means. I believe a master filter should be compulsary in every xDSL install unless the connection is to a single jackpoint on a naked connection.

Over 80% of NZ premises should have a ADSL sync rate of at least 10Mbps. The real world figure is well below this because the typical NZ home has absolutely munted home wiring. If you don't believe in a filter that's fine by me, but your comments clearly show you don't have a technical understanding of xDSL, or work in the industry. If you did you wouldn't be disagreeing with that I'm trying to explain.

If I ran Chorus I would not provision any xDSL service on a line that didn't comply with the above, and would refuse a truck roll to any "my internet is slow" faults until the home owner committed to a master filter install. Unfortunately this isn't possible in the real world because most home owners don't believe it's there problem and aren't interested in paying to get their problems fixed.






I have experience which differs from your opinion and from that experience I know that when a normal end user says "My internets slow" it has nothing to do with their line and everything to do with the cheap over subscribed ISP they are currently with.

 

Again I know the benefit of a master filter but its not a silver bullet that you are making it out to be. Its the perfect fix for certain situations but it doesn't fix everything. In my years in the business its actually low down on the list of things I did to fix "my internets slow or broken". I really can't go against my own experience and I just dont see a master filter as a must have item and more so not at the current insane prices that Chorus want to charge.



 

 

 


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  Reply # 833674 10-Jun-2013 17:26
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Ragnor: VDSL2 is a stop gap for people within 1km of the exchange who are not in UFB zones yet.

Lots of central Auckland isn't in the UFB rollout till the end of the thing which is 8+ years from now.


And none of Central Auckland has VDSL2 either.. But that's a topic of debate well beyond this thread!

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  Reply # 833683 10-Jun-2013 18:04
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trig42: Did anyone see TVNZ news last night - they were talking about VDSL being a competitor in the home user space for UFB - it was the first part of a multipart 'investigation' into UFB/broadband.

They didn't say that the biggest ISPs in NZ do not (yet) offer a VDSL plan.

I saw Paul Brislen in the article - he would be the one to get this point across I would have though.


We had a flood of VDSL enquiries to deal with this morning, thanks to that thing on TV1 last night.

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  Reply # 833736 10-Jun-2013 19:52
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UFB is about the future 100 years but VDSL will have its place for a while yet.

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  Reply # 833799 10-Jun-2013 22:24
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fellaintga: UFB is about the future 100 years but VDSL will have its place for a while yet.

Yep, fibre is about our Internet needs in 10years time. It's only the geeks, speed freaks and some businesses etc that need it now. So if we don't build it now, in tens years time when the demand (on large scale) is there, we will have tens years of people complaining about are 3rd world rated poor broadband, whilst its getting built.





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