Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 
25377 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5205

Moderator
Trusted
Biddle Corp
Subscriber

  Reply # 1024514 13-Apr-2014 20:11
One person supports this post
Send private message

insane:
sbiddle: Crosstalk on VDSL2 is becoming a real world issue.



I wonder how much of that is caused by people tweaking their line settings with the fritz. Or having poor house wiring which caused the modems to transmit at a higher power output than otherwise needed.

I'm guessing people with just have to deal with it until fibre comes past their door, as forcing people to get wiring done might get tricky for those with a 'working' setup.


We're seeing both the good and the bad about VDSL2 - with FEXT being the bad side.

I just feel sorry for Australia who are now essentially dumping and moving towards VDSL2 based FTTN. Within 4 or 5 years they'll have what we had in 2011, and all the problems that go with it.



6430 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1567


  Reply # 1024522 13-Apr-2014 20:22
Send private message

Jase2985: im guessing an ISP rep trying to sell VDSL plans in the neighbourhood


well obviously :-P

I meant which ISP.

 
 
 
 


20192 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3786

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1024541 13-Apr-2014 20:56
Send private message

I get high 30's/low 40's during a powercut, and slightly under or barely 20 now at other times. Crosstalk is a bitch, but the copper was never specced out for anything more than E1 frequancies so there isnt a lot that can be done other than to wait for fiber.




Richard rich.ms

'That VDSL Cat'
6431 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1230

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  Reply # 1024552 13-Apr-2014 21:35
Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
Jase2985: im guessing an ISP rep trying to sell VDSL plans in the neighbourhood


well obviously :-P

I meant which ISP.


Telecom, vodafone also did a run recently.


in an area of elderly folk for the most part.




#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.


6430 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1567


  Reply # 1024561 13-Apr-2014 21:45
One person supports this post
Send private message

hio77:
NonprayingMantis:
Jase2985: im guessing an ISP rep trying to sell VDSL plans in the neighbourhood


well obviously :-P

I meant which ISP.


Telecom, vodafone also did a run recently.


in an area of elderly folk for the most part.


ah, prime targets for VDSL and well known for their high use of high speed applications and cloud backup services.tongue-out



'That VDSL Cat'
6431 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1230

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  Reply # 1024563 13-Apr-2014 21:48
One person supports this post
Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
hio77:
NonprayingMantis:
Jase2985: im guessing an ISP rep trying to sell VDSL plans in the neighbourhood


well obviously :-P

I meant which ISP.


Telecom, vodafone also did a run recently.


in an area of elderly folk for the most part.


ah, prime targets for VDSL and well known for their high use of high speed applications and cloud backup services.tongue-out




totally.. door to door guys were very good at spewing in correct garbage that i went off at them for too. never tell me my internet will be faster on telecom as it will go to the cabinet and not the exchange.....







#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.


6430 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1567


  Reply # 1024619 13-Apr-2014 22:25
One person supports this post
Send private message

hio77:
NonprayingMantis:
hio77:
NonprayingMantis:
Jase2985: im guessing an ISP rep trying to sell VDSL plans in the neighbourhood


well obviously :-P

I meant which ISP.


Telecom, vodafone also did a run recently.


in an area of elderly folk for the most part.


ah, prime targets for VDSL and well known for their high use of high speed applications and cloud backup services.tongue-out




totally.. door to door guys were very good at spewing in correct garbage that i went off at them for too. never tell me my internet will be faster on telecom as it will go to the cabinet and not the exchange.....





my favourite D2D guys were Telstraclear.  They used to insist that I should move of my ADSL connection onto their 'Fibre' connection  (this was in Eden Terrace, back in 2011).  I always got the same basic spiel from the salesperson, even if they were different people, so it made me wonder whether it wasn't just rogues feeding me BS to get the sale, but rather this is what they were told to use as a sales pitch by their trainers



23 posts

Geek
+1 received by user: 2


Reply # 1025151 14-Apr-2014 21:05
Send private message

So essentially guys what you are saying is I can't do anything and have to put up with what I now have?

It seriously sux - and by the looks of it there are more of us having to put up with it - because its a fault in Chorus' network strategy? 

My suburb is not even on the short list for Fibre...

frown




20192 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3786

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1025155 14-Apr-2014 21:10
2 people support this post
Send private message

It's not a fault it's a best effort service working the best that it can.




Richard rich.ms

'That VDSL Cat'
6431 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1230

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  Reply # 1025156 14-Apr-2014 21:12
One person supports this post
Send private message

bash: So essentially guys what you are saying is I can't do anything and have to put up with what I now have?

It seriously sux - and by the looks of it there are more of us having to put up with it - because its a fault in Chorus' network strategy? 

My suburb is not even on the short list for Fibre...

frown




 
your missing the point made earlier.

looking at your stats your connection was actually REALLY good for your distance, it was always going to drop down into spec.


unfortunately.. this is how it will be. 




#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.


25377 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5205

Moderator
Trusted
Biddle Corp
Subscriber

  Reply # 1025162 14-Apr-2014 21:15
2 people support this post
Send private message

bash:

It seriously sux - and by the looks of it there are more of us having to put up with it - because its a fault in Chorus' network strategy? 



Assuming the issue is FEXT, from a purely technical perspective there is no fault - there is a product performing exactly as it should. There is nothing wrong with the Chorus network strategy.




1 post

Wannabe Geek


  Reply # 1025499 15-Apr-2014 12:02
Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
hio77:
NonprayingMantis:
hio77:
NonprayingMantis:
Jase2985: im guessing an ISP rep trying to sell VDSL plans in the neighbourhood


well obviously :-P

I meant which ISP.


Telecom, vodafone also did a run recently.


in an area of elderly folk for the most part.


ah, prime targets for VDSL and well known for their high use of high speed applications and cloud backup services.tongue-out




totally.. door to door guys were very good at spewing in correct garbage that i went off at them for too. never tell me my internet will be faster on telecom as it will go to the cabinet and not the exchange.....





my favourite D2D guys were Telstraclear.  They used to insist that I should move of my ADSL connection onto their 'Fibre' connection  (this was in Eden Terrace, back in 2011).  I always got the same basic spiel from the salesperson, even if they were different people, so it made me wonder whether it wasn't just rogues feeding me BS to get the sale, but rather this is what they were told to use as a sales pitch by their trainers


It's hilarious the way they're trying to sell VDSL to every man and his dog. I do connections for elderly ladies, who barely use a computer, let alone download things. They might use skype once in a blue moon. I feel like running down the D2D salesmen, or atleast yelling profanities out to them. 

They sell this service with the impression that the customers entire life will automatically speed up 100x. Lies.

Also on topic, it could be a ton of things, including FEXT, have you noticed any chorus vans doing installs at your neighbours? There is possibility for a number of line issues, ie if a Chorus tech has had to swap you to another line due to shortages in pairs etc. The DLM mightve had you on the wrong profile and has possibly put you down a notch, however, probably not because most connections start and end on 8b and rarely change. 

If you have a direct line (completely seperate cat5/6 cable) from the demarc (ETP) to your jackpoint, then certainly count your internal wiring out. Any ISP is hard to work with to figure out issues with your line, because frankly if you have anything over 20 by 10, there is no real issue because that's a very common speed for alot of VDSL users. And the ISP's themselves do have a hard time diagnosing what the problem is. Remember they have to deal with Chorus aswel and things can snowball into chinese whispers, eventuating into nothing more than "We'll monitor your line for 24hrs". Someone has to pay for a faultman to go out and diagnose line issues, and Chorus are reluctant to do that due to the fact that alot of issues just arent worth the time and expenses involved. Sure, if you're dropping out consistantly and maintain a subpar speed, but 20/10 isnt that bad.

1 | 2 
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Intel unveils the 8th Gen Intel Core Processor family for desktop
Posted 25-Sep-2017 19:45


Chow brothers plan to invest NZ$100 million in technology
Posted 24-Sep-2017 16:24


Symantec protects data everywhere with Information Centric Security
Posted 21-Sep-2017 15:33


FUJIFILM introduces X-E3 mirrorless camera with wireless connectivity
Posted 18-Sep-2017 13:53


Vodafone announces new plans with bigger data bundles
Posted 15-Sep-2017 10:51


Skinny launches phone with support for te reo Maori
Posted 14-Sep-2017 08:39


If Vodafone dropping mail worries you, you’re doing online wrong
Posted 11-Sep-2017 13:54


Vodafone New Zealand deploy live 400 gigabit system
Posted 11-Sep-2017 11:07


OPPO camera phones now available at PB Tech
Posted 11-Sep-2017 09:56


Norton Wi-Fi Privacy — Easy, flawed VPN
Posted 11-Sep-2017 09:48


Lenovo reveals new ThinkPad A Series
Posted 8-Sep-2017 14:37


Huawei passes Apple for the first time to capture the second spot globally
Posted 8-Sep-2017 10:45


Vodafone initiative enhances te reo Maori pronunciation on Google Maps
Posted 8-Sep-2017 10:40


Voyager Internet expand local internet phone services company with Conversant acquisition
Posted 6-Sep-2017 18:27


NOW Expands in to Tauranga
Posted 5-Sep-2017 18:16



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.