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Topic # 143915 1-May-2014 11:59
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getting very tempted to jump ship to an ISP offering unlimited.  been with snap for many many years, and would like to stay, but its getting tempting...

with steam downloads, netflix etc, im looking around 500GB this month (damn steam, so many great sales :))

i know snap cant comment on upcoming changes etc, just wondering if anyone else is thinking the same?

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  Reply # 1034715 1-May-2014 12:05
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I'm watching this space.

But, I'd wait and see what people have to say about these new unlimited plans first. 

Unlimited never worked in the past so it is unproven. 

Check orcon unlimited, their subscribers are always complaining here about slowdowns. 



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  Reply # 1034724 1-May-2014 12:08
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ill probably give it a month and see what happens.  even if snap adjusted the unlimited 1am-7am to something closer to 7pm to 7am that would probably be good enough.   most of my downloading is probably around 5pm onwards.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1034745 1-May-2014 12:28
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reven: ill probably give it a month and see what happens.  even if snap adjusted the unlimited 1am-7am to something closer to 7pm to 7am that would probably be good enough.   most of my downloading is probably around 5pm onwards.


may aswell go the full hog if your gonna do that, as it includes peak.


atleast for myself, snap are perfectly where they should be, with their offpeak data. 

im yet to play with an isp whos network matches the quality of snaps, atleast for where my testing is concerned.


interesting times in the next few months to see what isps pull back out of the unlimited market..




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  Reply # 1034758 1-May-2014 12:37
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Might just be me and my possibly outdated mistrust of (supposed) fully uncapped plans, but I'd actually prefer they didn't.  Zero rating 1am-7am is already IMO the perfect compromise between caps and the long term issues that often seem to crop up when ISPs start offering fully uncapped.   Having said all that, it would be nice if they shook things up in some way.  Perhaps cheaper data packs? 



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  Reply # 1034766 1-May-2014 12:48
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steam summer sale is coming up in a couple of months, so ill likely be downloading a bunch of data then, i dont really want to have to worry about my downloads, whole point of unlimited.  but i also dont want to jump ship and have netflix stutter (this is my biggest concern about ditching snap, the speeds are great for me).    but paying $20 or more extra a month for a capped plan vs an unlimited plan....   

to me any of these options would probably do
- increase the unlmited off peak data time (assuming it doesnt effect my netflix :))
- cheaper data packs, 500GB + homephone for around $100 a month
- unlimited (as long as it doesnt effect speeds with netflix etc).
- unmetered steam, has been done before but hard to do and very unlikely (also wont effect most customers)

the horror stories of bad speeds does concern me with ISPs, esp when you're completely happy with your current speeds/ISP.     

just wondering if snap will come something to keep customers with regards to telecom, vf, orcons unlimited and how many others are starting to look.


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  Reply # 1034768 1-May-2014 12:52
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If the network can handle it without affecting performance then yes, unlimited would be great. I wouldn't want to have things slow down though.

In the absence of unlimited, perhaps other changes could be made?
Increase the size of base caps? +100GB
Cheaper data blocks? $5 100GB?
Bigger data blocks? 250GB, 500GB, 1000GB, 2000GB?
Free off peak standard on all plans? (1-7am)
Extend free off peak hours for those who have data blocks? (11pm-9am?)

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  Reply # 1034773 1-May-2014 13:04
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sidefx: Might just be me and my possibly outdated mistrust of (supposed) fully uncapped plans, but I'd actually prefer they didn't.  Zero rating 1am-7am is already IMO the perfect compromise between caps and the long term issues that often seem to crop up when ISPs start offering fully uncapped.   Having said all that, it would be nice if they shook things up in some way.  Perhaps cheaper data packs? 


Lorenceo: If the network can handle it without affecting performance then yes, unlimited would be great. I wouldn't want to have things slow down though.

In the absence of unlimited, perhaps other changes could be made?
Increase the size of base caps? +100GB
Cheaper data blocks? $5 100GB?
Bigger data blocks? 250GB, 500GB, 1000GB, 2000GB?
Free off peak standard on all plans? (1-7am)
Extend free off peak hours for those who have data blocks? (11pm-9am?)


exactly my feelings on it.. far easier to explain congestion as just fine on an unlimited plan too.


its funny really, my usage has actually been steadily decreasing recently... i have almost anything that goes on sale on steam, already downloaded, and simply stream alot of stuff now.




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  Reply # 1034775 1-May-2014 13:06
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SNAP had the 200MBit unlimited plan which I was on - it worked very very well, was unlimited in every form and was recently pulled from the market due to a few issues that needed to be sorted before it will re-enter the market. I'm wondering if it will return with unlimited?

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  Reply # 1034791 1-May-2014 13:23
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TBH I don't want to see an unlimited plan. Too many ISP's turn to crap after offering one. Especially with much faster connections now-a-days.

The data is already very cheap, and with the free offpeak why don't you just queue your big downloads for between 1am and 7am? It's easy to pull 30+GB a night during the free offpeak time on standard ADSL... surely thats more than enough combined with a 500GB cap?



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  Reply # 1034793 1-May-2014 13:25
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itey: TBH I don't want to see an unlimited plan. Too many ISP's turn to crap after offering one. Especially with much faster connections now-a-days.

The data is already very cheap, and with the free offpeak why don't you just queue your big downloads for between 1am and 7am? It's easy to pull 30+GB a night during the free offpeak time on standard ADSL... surely thats more than enough combined with a 500GB cap?


because i want to play a game in an hour or two, not have to wait until the next day to play it.  

also then i have to leave the PC on over night, which costs power (sure not a hell of a lot, but still costs).

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  Reply # 1034812 1-May-2014 13:44
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I'm looking at almost racking in 800GB maybe this month with IPTV and Super rugby games etc.

I try and turn off my set top box when it is not in use as it consumes at least 1.5GB an hour streaming...

Snap's 1TB pack is not priced too badly ($70? extra), but it would be better if you could purchase more and maybe for a lower cost.

Snap, do you have any deals coming up?

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  Reply # 1034821 1-May-2014 14:03
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itey: TBH I don't want to see an unlimited plan. Too many ISP's turn to crap after offering one. Especially with much faster connections now-a-days.

The data is already very cheap, and with the free offpeak why don't you just queue your big downloads for between 1am and 7am? It's easy to pull 30+GB a night during the free offpeak time on standard ADSL... surely thats more than enough combined with a 500GB cap?


because i want to play a game in an hour or two, not have to wait until the next day to play it.  

also then i have to leave the PC on over night, which costs power (sure not a hell of a lot, but still costs).



cant say i have ever had an issue with saying, yep sure, 40GB game. ill play that now.


hell, TESO.. downloaded that in peak to play with a friend, played for about 5~10 mins and decided it wasnt the game for me, deleting it right then and there.


computer over night, uses next to no power depending on your gear, i run mine over night, purely for convenience for the most part.. reopening everything i run is too much effort! - never mind the mass ammounts of notepads i never end up saving but using over and over again!..

due to the cpu differences between my file server and main machine, im actually spending less running computer 24/7 than fileserver, which sites on WOL. 




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  Reply # 1034830 1-May-2014 14:21
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I wouldn't take up an unlimited plan unless it had no traffic shaping which to date all unlimited plans have (including the new Telecom plan). Good luck trying to watch HD Netflix in the evenings and say goodbye to decent speeds for Linux ISO downloads (cough "torrents" cough).

From what I have read unlimited is a great marketing tool but in reality you get low speeds so can't actually pull down that much data anyway.




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  Reply # 1034833 1-May-2014 14:26
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Just my 2c

I think these three things would make a big change without needing the junk that comes along with unlimited:

1. Halve the cost of the existing data packs and add more with higher capacities.

2. Extend the off-peak hours to 12am - 8am

3. Bring back the steam cache. A 16TB server would be able to handle all the popular games that people download, and would save them tons of money in bandwidth costs.




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  Reply # 1034843 1-May-2014 14:42
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charsleysa: Just my 2c

I think these three things would make a big change without needing the junk that comes along with unlimited:

1. Halve the cost of the existing data packs and add more with higher capacities.

2. Extend the off-peak hours to 12am - 8am

3. Bring back the steam cache. A 16TB server would be able to handle all the popular games that people download, and would save them tons of money in bandwidth costs.



with steam pipe, no longer are there content servers. caching is a little more hit and miss (although the implantation is as designed to be easily cachable.)



i find snaps cache to actually hit reasonably often on my steam downloads, sometimes even proping up under free youtube too.


as someone who has all of their library downloaded (quite a sizable one at that.), really dont actually see too much downloaded from updates, maybe a few GB a day...




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