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  Reply # 1034872 1-May-2014 15:14
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Well I would think most people don't have their entire library installed and when new popular games come along that takes loads of bandwidth.

They could easily do zero rating based on IP address.

This kind of setup could work to reduce their game related bandwidth costs

http://blog.multiplay.co.uk/2014/04/lancache-dynamically-caching-game-installs-at-lans-using-nginx/




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  Reply # 1034901 1-May-2014 15:37
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geekiegeek: I wouldn't take up an unlimited plan unless it had no traffic shaping which to date all unlimited plans have (including the new Telecom plan). Good luck trying to watch HD Netflix in the evenings and say goodbye to decent speeds for Linux ISO downloads (cough "torrents" cough).

From what I have read unlimited is a great marketing tool but in reality you get low speeds so can't actually pull down that much data anyway.



It's interesting that you say ALL ISP's have shaped on UNLIMITED. I was able to consistently max out my 200MBits on SNAP's unlimited no matter what time of the day or night - and yes I did do it consistently.

It's a very broad statement of fact, can you back it up?

How much data do I use - a fair chunk and that's why unlimited is important to me and would like it back as soon as possible now that the 28th April has just passed.

28 Mar 2014 - 28 Apr 2014 Lightwave Home Extreme Unlimited 1659.39 GB (0%) 0 B
28 Feb 2014 - 28 Mar 2014 Lightwave Home Extreme Unlimited 941.1 GB (0%) 0 B
31 Jan 2014 - 28 Feb 2014 Lightwave Home Extreme Unlimited 1186.57 GB (0%) 0 B

I watch HD TV at the same time as my wife - different computers whilst maxing out my usenet account at 13MBs and can still pull down a 5GB test file from SNAP in under 10 minutes. Trust me, I have tested the SNAP's network extensively.







 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1034926 1-May-2014 15:52
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There is almost always a downside to unlimited in the form of some kind of traffic shaping. I'd rather just pay for the amount I need. 

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  Reply # 1034949 1-May-2014 16:49
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cjmchch: I was able to consistently max out my 200MBits on SNAP's unlimited no matter what time of the day or night - and yes I did do it consistently.

The 200mb plan was only offered as a trial, and only in Auckland and Christchurch IIRC?
I imagine the effect on the Snap network of a few users trialling a 200mb plan would pale in comparison to all Snap users suddenly being on unlimited.

It'd be an interesting experiment I suppose. TelstraClear tried it for a weekend a few years ago. It had some rather negative effects on everyone using them for international capacity.
I would think these days most people that want to download a lot are already on an unlimited plan. Eventually people will run out of things to download and their usage will settle. Some will always download as much as they can, because they can. Perhaps even if it's going to /dev/null.

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  Reply # 1034950 1-May-2014 16:51
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itey: TBH I don't want to see an unlimited plan. Too many ISP's turn to crap after offering one. Especially with much faster connections now-a-days.

The data is already very cheap, and with the free offpeak why don't you just queue your big downloads for between 1am and 7am? It's easy to pull 30+GB a night during the free offpeak time on standard ADSL... surely thats more than enough combined with a 500GB cap?



This can be difficult...eg, origin does not allow scheduled downloads - titanfall was 40tb+, bf4 over 20gb. 



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  Reply # 1035201 1-May-2014 23:45
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I'd be happy with snap offering an unlimited plan that had traffic management on it, as long as people on their (high data) capped plans are unaffected by this bandwidth pool when things get tight.
When i say traffic management i mean:

-Separate bandwidth pool for unlimited users or giving capped plans higher priority
-Prioritization of traffic types so users within the unlimited pool don't get terrible browsing when everyones hammering big downloads
-When the bandwidth pool is maxing out, possibly shaping certain traffic types to ensure that capped users are unaffected.

But don't pull a Telecom and replace the 500gb plan with unlimited. Make sure people can always receive the high speeds they are expecting.

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  Reply # 1035202 1-May-2014 23:48
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eXDee: I'd be happy with snap offering an unlimited plan that had traffic management on it, as long as people on their (high data) capped plans are unaffected by this bandwidth pool when things get tight.

But don't pull a Telecom and replace the 500gb plan with unlimited. Make sure people can always receive the high speeds they are expecting.


as i understand it, telecom still offer 500GB, but you need to ask for it.


recent unlimited plan, appears to be having a teething issue or two. 




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  Reply # 1035203 1-May-2014 23:55
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hio77:
eXDee: I'd be happy with snap offering an unlimited plan that had traffic management on it, as long as people on their (high data) capped plans are unaffected by this bandwidth pool when things get tight.

But don't pull a Telecom and replace the 500gb plan with unlimited. Make sure people can always receive the high speeds they are expecting.


as i understand it, telecom still offer 500GB, but you need to ask for it.


recent unlimited plan, appears to be having a teething issue or two. 

I reckon unlimited is going to settle a bit, now we have 4 Big ISPs offering it:

-Telecom
-Vodafone
-Orcon
-Slingshot

and smaller ISPs:
-Maxnet
-Trustpower
-Compass
-HD
-FullFlavour
-And more...

The leechers will become balanced better, so i think its going to be better for everyone. Whoever is the cheapest though will likely get the hoards heavy low budget users however (eg students), atm this seems to be Slingshot.

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  Reply # 1035204 1-May-2014 23:58
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Full flavour media do not offer unlimited, they have a soft cap during the day of 350GB which if you go over more than 3 months you have to pay more.




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  Reply # 1035206 2-May-2014 00:23
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eXDee:
hio77:
eXDee: I'd be happy with snap offering an unlimited plan that had traffic management on it, as long as people on their (high data) capped plans are unaffected by this bandwidth pool when things get tight.

But don't pull a Telecom and replace the 500gb plan with unlimited. Make sure people can always receive the high speeds they are expecting.


as i understand it, telecom still offer 500GB, but you need to ask for it.


recent unlimited plan, appears to be having a teething issue or two. 

I reckon unlimited is going to settle a bit, now we have 4 Big ISPs offering it:

-Telecom
-Vodafone
-Orcon
-Slingshot

and smaller ISPs:
-Maxnet
-Trustpower
-Compass
-HD
-FullFlavour
-And more...

The leechers will become balanced better, so i think its going to be better for everyone. Whoever is the cheapest though will likely get the hoards heavy low budget users however (eg students), atm this seems to be Slingshot.


Actually the cheapest I believe is Bigpipe with naked ADSL for $79, with no shaping or traffic management. Vodafone is the same at $79 with the naked discount. (and, if you offset the free mysky that you would otherwise be paying for, it's only $64! - they must really hate making money!).   voda is more established, so will probably get the 'torrent' of vampires. 

Vodafone are definitely cheapest VDSL naked at the very same $79 with naked discount - mysky discount also applies. (and the leechers will be looking for the fastest speed to maximise their torrenting usage- so will certainly go for VDSL if they can)

(ok, so technically woosh do unlimited ADSL for $75, but they state upfront they heavily throttle P2P - it's not a 'maybe we'll do traffic management if we need it', and plus  nobody cares about woosh anymore)

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  Reply # 1035231 2-May-2014 06:41
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I'd be happier with free data at their current off peak times if I didn't have to buy a data pack first. Or a reduction in price of the same dollar amount of the pack so I could have the same effect...VDSL with VoIP plan. Because the husband racks up download otherwise.



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  Reply # 1035233 2-May-2014 07:05
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completely forgot about titanfall and origin/uplay.  i did download titanfall last month (i didnt want to wait and play it the next day, so downloaded it that evening and played a couple of hours that night).   

steam have a good sale today, so i just bought 2 more games, i'd like to play one tonight, so ill download it when i get home.  but with steams remote install i might setup a WOL from my server to my gaming machine to wake it up so I can do a remote install easily when Im at work.

traffic shape torrents/p2p all you want, dont really care about that personally, if that is the major issue.  shove up a steam cache if that becomes a huge source of downloads.  let users pay for capped plans that have zero traffic shaping, let users have an unlimited plan with possible limited traffic shaping on certain sources (torrent eg), but not regular data (cannot let netflix etc be effected).

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  Reply # 1035237 2-May-2014 07:35
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I wouldn't want to see Snap release an limited plan unless they use traffic shaping to ensure users who pay full price for their traffic get priority. People who want unlimited plans use orders of magnitude more bandwidth than most users, reducing network performance for everyone.

If Snap did this and reduced network performance for the 95% of people who don't use very high amounts of bandwidth I suspect they would lose customers, potentially including myself.




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  Reply # 1035278 2-May-2014 09:03
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Snap will need to offer it or increase their data bundles @ existing price or they are going to have problems, already know someone no longer going to order snap ufb next month, will be going with vodafone now

SNAP will have to do something to stay competitive, if they dont then i wont be sending more business their way, not because i dont want to, but because its not the cost effective way to go for the end user.


I was also disappointed to find that i was going to sign up some Whangaparoa customers to you guys on ADSL last week, yet  you guys want for a 2 year contact, 249$ for the 7390 and still 499$ ETC, crazy. they have now gone to telecom. dont get greedy snap.



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  Reply # 1035282 2-May-2014 09:08
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dan: Snap will need to offer it or increase their data bundles @ existing price or they are going to have problems, already know someone no longer going to order snap ufb next month, will be going with vodafone now

SNAP will have to do something to stay competitive, if they dont then i wont be sending more business their way, not because i dont want to, but because its not the cost effective way to go for the end user.


I was also disappointed to find that i was going to sign up some Whangaparoa customers to you guys on ADSL last week, yet  you guys want for a 2 year contact, 249$ for the 7390 and still 499$ ETC, crazy. they have now gone to telecom. dont get greedy snap.


when did they start chargign for the router (i checked you're right), i signed my parents up a year ago and got the 7390 for just $50.  its a really good router (wifi is rubbish), but if i was signing up to a 24 month contract i would want to pay $250 for it as well....

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