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  # 1980984 21-Mar-2018 13:04
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At least with them saying 2G until 2025 puts everyone on notice that they have 6 and a half years roughly to upgrade.

 

 

But I think you'll find the voice GSM component will be switched off earlier leaving GPRS data only which is most likely fine for alarms and smart power meters. 





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  # 1988467 5-Apr-2018 00:29
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Anyone seeing 4G band8 around the place yet? I have only seen it once and that was about 8 weeks before 2G was closed down in the very very North of Auckland

 

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  # 1988480 5-Apr-2018 07:18
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Anyone seeing 4G band8 around the place yet? I have only seen it once and that was about 8 weeks before 2G was closed down in the very very North of Auckland

 

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Saw this when I was on Kawau Island up north around the 17th March. Wasn't from the Kawau Island cell (seemed to be 3G only still as 4G signal was not excellent) but probably one of the mainland sites.

 


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  # 1988549 5-Apr-2018 08:57
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@KiwiSurfer similar location to where I was when I saw 4G band8

 

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  # 2000706 22-Apr-2018 17:10
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@kiwisurfer on 4G Band 8 close to Pukekohe township 5Mhz

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I've also observed Band 8 in Papatoetoe—most likely running off their co-lo with Vodafone at the train station. I've been working on a project inside a theater nearby. Inside the building signal strength is pretty poor on all networks (with Vodafone generally having the better service overall). Previously 2degrees' UMTS-900 would struggle to work and when it did data would be nearly unusable. Since they turned on band 8, I've observed LTE-900 to work pretty much flawlessly with consistent and reliable download rates of ~1mbits easily obtainable in places within the theater where UMTS wouldn't even establish a connection.

 

Really shows how good LTE is at decoding weak signals. Same site, same antenna, same frequency band, same phone and yet LTE just works in places UMTS wouldn't. Really glad now LTE is rolling out LTE at 900 (probably the best strategy for 2degrees given availability of exiting equipment and limited budget) but I'm also mindful 700 would be even better.


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I've also observed Band 8 in Papatoetoe—most likely running off their co-lo with Vodafone at the train station. I've been working on a project inside a theater nearby. Inside the building signal strength is pretty poor on all networks (with Vodafone generally having the better service overall). Previously 2degrees' UMTS-900 would struggle to work and when it did data would be nearly unusable. Since they turned on band 8, I've observed LTE-900 to work pretty much flawlessly with consistent and reliable download rates of ~1mbits easily obtainable in places within the theater where UMTS wouldn't even establish a connection.

 

Really shows how good LTE is at decoding weak signals. Same site, same antenna, same frequency band, same phone and yet LTE just works in places UMTS wouldn't. Really glad now LTE is rolling out LTE at 900 (probably the best strategy for 2degrees given availability of exiting equipment and limited budget) but I'm also mindful 700 would be even better.

 

 

A pity 2D didn't have the money to acquire more 700 MHZ spectrum that Spark snapped up. 


 
 
 
 


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I've also observed Band 8 in Papatoetoe—most likely running off their co-lo with Vodafone at the train station. I've been working on a project inside a theater nearby. Inside the building signal strength is pretty poor on all networks (with Vodafone generally having the better service overall). Previously 2degrees' UMTS-900 would struggle to work and when it did data would be nearly unusable. Since they turned on band 8, I've observed LTE-900 to work pretty much flawlessly with consistent and reliable download rates of ~1mbits easily obtainable in places within the theater where UMTS wouldn't even establish a connection.

 

Really shows how good LTE is at decoding weak signals. Same site, same antenna, same frequency band, same phone and yet LTE just works in places UMTS wouldn't. Really glad now LTE is rolling out LTE at 900 (probably the best strategy for 2degrees given availability of exiting equipment and limited budget) but I'm also mindful 700 would be even better.

 

 

A pity 2D didn't have the money to acquire more 700 MHZ spectrum that Spark snapped up. 

 

 

@ajw they still got 10Mhz that they can CA to the 900Mhz and 1800Mhz

 

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A pity 2D didn't have the money to acquire more 700 MHZ spectrum that Spark snapped up. 

 

How long ago was that auction and how heavily has the country been covered by it, by any of the 3 Telco's? Sure, they all have it, but they seem to have targeted it certain area's - not rolled it out nation wide.

 

700MHz is more suited for rural than city use which isn't 2DM's target customer. 2DM had better things to spend their money on, like towers in places where there was zero 2DM coverage.

 

It seems that by the time 700MHz has built up a full head of steam (with any company), 5G will be upon us, which looks like it will completely change the cellular-land-scape, potentially with freq's down in the 600MHz band and as high as the 30 GHz (or more) band. The Telco's can't go on and on buying up spectrum from the Govt for millions (or billions) unless there is more money to be made from the customers, and we all want more for less $$ so that looks difficult. 


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How long ago was that auction and how heavily has the country been covered by it, by any of the 3 Telco's? Sure, they all have it, but they seem to have targeted it certain area's - not rolled it out nation wide.

 

 

Sparks L700 coverage is actually pretty aggressive...

 

 

 

All-most all the tower upgrades for the last year have been atleast L700+L1800.





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  # 2001297 23-Apr-2018 21:10
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@tripper1000 VodafoneNZ and Spark have been deploying band 28 700Mhz on sooooo many sites for the last 2 years or so.

 

2D more recent but still on many sites like here in Takapuna, Auckland CBD and many rural sites

 

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I suspect that 2degrees didn't give their staff full training about the change - my sister popped by today and had a little phone/watch thing that her son had saved up for. As it uses data she had bought the watch and arranged a new sim/set up data sharing with it etc ahead of time, getting it all working perfectly at the start of March before putting it away in a cupboard...

 

A month later when his savings were complete the phone would no longer connect to a network. After checking the battery and SIM etc she took it to a 2degrees store and explained the issue. They tested her SIM in their phone, told her it was working fine and that her phone/watch must be faulty, after which she ended up ordering a second one which unsurprisingly had the same problem. When she told me today I was able to let her know what the issue was, and she will probably get a Vodafone SIM to get it working (although the data connection will no longer be covered of course, so the device may no longer be viable).

 

I was just surprised that a customer went into a 2degrees store with a device that worked a month ago in the same store but no longer does, and the staff didn't even consider the 2G closedown - it's still pretty recent and I would have thought that they would have encountered at least a couple of similar situations.


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tripper1000:

 

How long ago was that auction and how heavily has the country been covered by it, by any of the 3 Telco's? Sure, they all have it, but they seem to have targeted it certain area's - not rolled it out nation wide.

 

Sparks L700 coverage is actually pretty aggressive...

 

All-most all the tower upgrades for the last year have been atleast L700+L1800.

 

All the Hutt Valley towers have 700MHz based on what I've seen on my phone and over at gis.geek.nz 

 

It'll be interesting to see how things pan out when Spark start using VoLTE especially with the huge chunk of 700MHz they own.





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All the Hutt Valley towers have 700MHz based on what I've seen on my phone and over at gis.geek.nz 

 

It'll be interesting to see how things pan out when Spark start using VoLTE especially with the huge chunk of 700MHz they own.

 

 

often the only towers without 700 are infill and even still often 700 is layered at low power for coverage.

 

 

 

the more there is out there, the better it is for WBB :)





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matisyahu:

 

All the Hutt Valley towers have 700MHz based on what I've seen on my phone and over at gis.geek.nz 

 

It'll be interesting to see how things pan out when Spark start using VoLTE especially with the huge chunk of 700MHz they own.

 

often the only towers without 700 are infill and even still often 700 is layered at low power for coverage.

 

the more there is out there, the better it is for WBB :)

 

Well, I'm happy either way because it is either no 4G coverage (Vodafone), unreliable coverage (2 Degrees) or full strength 4 bars on the phone coverage (Spark) I'm happy with what ever technique Spark is employing.





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