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Topic # 231994 24-Mar-2018 17:56
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We live 2-3 km from the CBD of the Hutt - but reception is marginal (because of the hills). Cells have mainly been so people can get us when we go out - but these days more and more people are calling the cell instead of office phone. To see how the other networks fare we bought a SIM for Spark and 2Degrees.

To our surprise both had stronger signals than Vodafone. Spark was the strongest but while we were weighing up the options, 2Degrees came out with a six-month half price deal. This will give us time to explore - especially data. We only use WIFI at the moment, so wanted to take the opportunity to see just what we might be missing.

Between us comparing signal strengths and getting connected today, 2Degrees cut their 2G service. We called each other even though it was showing no signal and it worked. We checked the detailed status and found that 2Degrees is indeed showing a stronger signal than Vodafone - despite showing no or little signal in the bars at the top of the screen.

Does anyone have any explanation of why the general bar indicator is so far out for our 2Degrees connection (i.e. it shows more than Vodofone even though the bars show significantly lower)?

And another problem we have (and I assume my son also has since he runs a business phone on the second SIM) is dual SIM phones connect with one via 2G. (Only found this out today.) This means they'll be useless - especially if we want to conect with Spark, or once Vodafone turns off 2G.

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  Reply # 1982641 24-Mar-2018 18:22
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You mentioned Wifi - are you using Wifi calling? That is one of the advantages of 2degrees: you can use Wifi calling anywhere in the world for the same price as standing in your kitchen.





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  Reply # 1982643 24-Mar-2018 18:31
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Don't go by the signal bars you want to know what the actual RSSI is, Bars are misleading

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  Reply # 1982657 24-Mar-2018 18:35
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Last few generations of dual sim chipsets have been 3g/4g standby so should be fine. I only run 2 old dual sims with numbers in that I use for 2 factor and nothing else, not a drama swapping which is active when I need to get a SMS on 2degrees, and when its time for the yearly topup to keep the number alive if I am still using those phones I will just port them to vodafone. 

 

Phonecalls I only take on other phones so no problem with them being off the network while I wait on an SMS





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  Reply # 1982658 24-Mar-2018 18:38
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VodafoneNZ turns off 2G in 2025 few years off yet

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  Reply # 1982690 24-Mar-2018 20:20
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Had never heard of WIFI calling - I was simply saying no data - we use WIFI so we can test websites etc - but we're at home most of the time so never even bothered looking how we might use data. So looking forward to it.

Signal bars were reasonable while trying - so we thought they were a good guide. And for Vodafone they are.

My phone requires 2G for the second - my wife's is a newer phone (same model) and the main one says LTE/3G/2G and the other 3G/2G or just 2G. So I might just need to upgrade mine before D-Day. We learn new stuff all the time.

As for Vodafone turning off 2G in 2025 I found that is partially true - they will keep the service going for devices other than phones - but turning off 2G for phone services will be in response to demand.

Thanks all for your help.


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  Reply # 1982693 24-Mar-2018 20:28
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unless your device works with wifi calling, I'd probably switch to spark in this situation...





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  Reply # 1982738 25-Mar-2018 08:58
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hio77:

 

unless your device works with wifi calling, I'd probably switch to spark in this situation...

 

 

 

 

Not a great option if he requires 2G. :-)





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  Reply # 1982747 25-Mar-2018 09:33
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If you have home broadband then look into getting a VodafoneNZ Sure Signal but they only work on 3G 2100Mhz

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  Reply # 1982768 25-Mar-2018 10:25
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I don't actually need 2G - it;s just that my phone will only run 2G for the second SIM. However my wife had to get a new one recently and hers doesn't. So I'll get one like that - same basic model with relatively good reception but newer.

I thought Suresignal only worked on Vodafone broadand? Not technical reason (not so overseas) - just a marketing ploy - of the type I have always loathed - from IBM to MS to Telecom to ... That's why I'm always keen on OpenSource, or if not at least user-oriented. Locking people in suggests you have an inferior product.

Most of my colleagues see locking people in as much as possible a a good thing. I encourage clients to be independent - and almost never lose clients - apart from death, retirement, ceasing business (in one case to start a family), etc.

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  Reply # 1982771 25-Mar-2018 10:37
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VodafoneNZ changed it so Sure Signal will work with any fixed line ISP about 2+ years ago

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  Reply # 1982801 25-Mar-2018 12:01
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I have a couple of elderly friends on 2degrees who have found it trash since 2g shut off, turns out they have antique 3g phones back from when vodafone launched 3g and only have 2100 on it so it is to be expected. Check what your dual sims support, one of mine only does 3g on 850 and 2100, no 900 support so its the same when on 2degrees now. Im sure its just a software lock in the thing but as its only a $50 piece of crap android its easier to just replace it than mess about trying various weird things found on forums to enable other bands.





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  Reply # 1982828 25-Mar-2018 12:05
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@richms raises a very valid point here about 3G if the handset does not support the UMTS / 3G 900Mhz band then 3G coverage will be crappppp!

 

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  Reply # 1982866 25-Mar-2018 14:15
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So many traps for the ignorant. Fortunately on that one we seem to be OK - Samsung A3 (chosen for being smaller but still having good signal reception).

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  Reply # 1989125 5-Apr-2018 23:11
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Linux: VodafoneNZ changed it so Sure Signal will work with any fixed line ISP about 2+ years ago

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Thanks for advising this. I could do with one of these.

 

Do they work for text messages as well?





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  Reply # 1989128 5-Apr-2018 23:13
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Linux: VodafoneNZ changed it so Sure Signal will work with any fixed line ISP about 2+ years ago

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Thanks for advising this. I could do with one of these.

 

Do they work for text messages as well?

 

 

Yes. It's a 3g 2100mhz cell, anything you can normally do with 3g will work fine over it :)





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