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  # 2304182 22-Aug-2019 19:52
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Hopefully existing customers will have the option of a static IP at no charge..

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  # 2304183 22-Aug-2019 19:54
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timmmay:

 

What's a good ISP that doesn't use CGNat, has good routing, and good customer service?

 

 

Voyager.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2304184 22-Aug-2019 19:57
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timmmay:

What's a good ISP that doesn't use CGNat, has good routing, and good customer service? Vodafone and Bigpipe ruled out, Vodafone for poor service and routing, Bigpipe for not having a support phone.


I've always been fairly happy with Spark as a mobile provider. How's their routing and general fiber offering?



Voyager is great. Their help desk went the extra mile for me - let me cheap out and get supported VoIP on my old hg659 without renting a new one. Routing is fine as far as I can tell, they do IPv6 (not on DSL, I'm on DSL) and peer.

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  # 2304189 22-Aug-2019 20:24
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Guessing Spark, Skinny and Bigpipe for no cg-nat, not sure if the vocus guys do or not.


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  # 2304275 22-Aug-2019 22:28
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I'm on fibre Vocus (Slingshot) no CG-NAT. And as a bonus IP addresses are very sticky. I've had the same dynamic IP address for at least 3 years.


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  # 2304278 22-Aug-2019 22:44
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I hope existing customers are at least still offered a public IP that isn’t CGNAT

Disappointing.

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  # 2304280 22-Aug-2019 22:55
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Pretty sure on my Bigpipe connection I paid a one off fee (?$45) for a static IP that is not CG-NAT.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2304281 22-Aug-2019 23:01
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Bye Bye 2degrees, hope Spark will have me back. In last month of contract now, rather have public IP over other advantages 2degrees offer.

 

You may also notice an impact in the below.

 

  • Multiplayer video games where you’re hosting a session/server
  • Website hosting
  • Services or devices that rely on port forwarding
  • Torrents will only be able to establish outbound connections
  • Internet-enabled devices that are reached by IP address (e.g. IP cameras/security cameras)
  • Remote access to home network storage, backups and remote desktop service
  • VPN servers

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  # 2304292 23-Aug-2019 00:12
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Come on guys - there has been no official word just yet on how they're going to do this, if customers can opt-out etc so stop jumping to conclusions and blowing things out of proportion is all I can say.

 

For the majority of their customers - I don't think they'll notice a thing.

 

For the few that need a public IP - there will be a plan around this, just wait.

 

2degrees are still a great ISP - the support is great, the performance is great etc. Afraid what comes with this is the influx of customers who want to experience what a great ISP is about and IPv4 space is limited. There is only so many they can give out. I actually see most ISP's eventually doing this (with the exception of the IPv4 Hoarder, Spark). Remember, Snap (the ISP that was before 2degrees) were quite small so without looking I'd say their IP space was rather limited from the start. I am surprised this has not happened sooner.





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  # 2304298 23-Aug-2019 02:43
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That's disappointing to say the least. All the more reason for IPv6 adoption!


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  # 2304306 23-Aug-2019 06:41
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michaelmurfy:

 

Come on guys - there has been no official word just yet on how they're going to do this, if customers can opt-out etc so stop jumping to conclusions and blowing things out of proportion is all I can say.

 

For the majority of their customers - I don't think they'll notice a thing.

 

 

It won't affect most people, but technical people like those on Geekzone will be some that are most affected as we tend to do more things that this would break.

 

I'll not actually do anything until this is announced or maybe until it's implemented. I'd rather not have things break or act randomly because of this change, so I'd weigh up the good experience so far, the cost of a static IP address, and the cost of other vendors.

 

I agree with whoever said that most ISPs will have to do this eventually. Maybe it will drive IPv6 adoption. I turned IPv6 off on my router / PCs as weird things started happening (can't remember what it was 2 years ago), but maybe it's time to try it again.


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  # 2304307 23-Aug-2019 06:46
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Hi I assume 2d will provide the ability for some port forwarding whilst on CG-NAT that suits more advanced users like most other CG-NAT providers have, assuming your not after heaps of ports and just a few usuals then there is no real issue.

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  # 2304328 23-Aug-2019 07:53
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Keen to know if I can opt out of CG-NAT, too. I have a few services forwarded through, not nearly enough to justify the $10 a month for static, but still enough to be annoying if I couldn't access externally.


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  # 2304341 23-Aug-2019 08:29
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A small reminder for those saying they will go (back) to Spark. Spark doesn't peer on the peering exchanges in NZ, so good routing is a big nope





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  # 2304343 23-Aug-2019 08:32
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danielfaulknor:

A small reminder for those saying they will go (back) to Spark. Spark doesn't peer on the peering exchanges in NZ, so good routing is a big nope



Taking my spark hat off for a min.
I'll be honest. Apart from Cloudflare I find sparks routes to be some of the better over other providers for both speed and latency.





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