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  # 239196 26-Jul-2009 22:22
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It would seem unusual that a company would launch suddenly without notice one day.

Surely the reason companies announce a date is for the hype that the countdown anticipation that it creates?

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  # 239201 26-Jul-2009 22:36
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Well I have just put an order in on dse and put 4 sim cards into the cart so will see if I get a shipped email tomorrow or not..




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  # 239224 27-Jul-2009 07:18
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c71931f: hmm ...does anyone know what the cost's will be to text and call from telecom or vodafone to a 2degree's number?


SIGH...We dont know yet, 2degrees hasn't released there plans nor their termination rates (how much it costs another phone company to call/txt to 2degrees's network).





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  # 239225 27-Jul-2009 07:20
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I see DSE have removed the detail from the main links...

Who's to say the 27th date wasn't just a default date generated on standard ERP detail?

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  # 239228 27-Jul-2009 07:37
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Madcat11 what you pay from Xt/Telecom/Vodafone to 2degrees is determined by your plan on that network. It has nothing to do with 2degrees essentially, and, if that Russell Stanners is to be believed then wholesale termination rates have no effect on retail pricing (!!!).

It wouldn't happen but what if hypothetically 2degrees charged a $1/min termination fee?

How would VF/Telecom get around that when the majority of their plans are flat rate to either network?? Would they be able to change the agreed upon contract??

Finally DSE quite often have incorrect dates for products, at least when it comes to new release games (the incorrect system date comes and goes without stock arriving)

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  # 239241 27-Jul-2009 08:49
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With all the 2Degrees hype, I'm guessing it will be within the 1st week of August. I'm sure they don't want to keep spending money on advertising etc for another 4 weeks, it must be costing them a budget load of cash. The sooner they start getting customers through the door the better.

You can only talk yourself for so long, people will start to lose interest. Geez weren't they suppose to launch 2 years ago? Come on guys, hit the go button.

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  # 239243 27-Jul-2009 08:51
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I also noticed Dick Smith in Shirley Christchurch have setup a 2Degrees stand, nothing on it yet but launch can't be far away........

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  # 239244 27-Jul-2009 08:52
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ahmad: Madcat11 what you pay from Xt/Telecom/Vodafone to 2degrees is determined by your plan on that network. It has nothing to do with 2degrees essentially, and, if that Russell Stanners is to be believed then wholesale termination rates have no effect on retail pricing (!!!).



It wouldn't happen but what if hypothetically 2degrees charged a $1/min termination fee?



How would VF/Telecom get around that when the majority of their plans are flat rate to either network?? Would they be able to change the agreed upon contract??



Finally DSE quite often have incorrect dates for products, at least when it comes to new release games (the incorrect system date comes and goes without stock arriving)


It's because the date won't be wrong, for release date items the date they are shown for incoming stock in the availability section is the date they will be receiving stock from the supplier and not the date they will be sent out, for example with a release date game the date may be before the actual release date which means it won't be sent until release even though they have got it in stock




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  # 239247 27-Jul-2009 09:01
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System: It's because the date won't be wrong, for release date items the date they are shown for incoming stock in the availability section is the date they will be receiving stock from the supplier and not the date they will be sent out, for example with a release date game the date may be before the actual release date which means it won't be sent until release even though they have got it in stock

You misunderstood my post.

I'm not talking a day or two, I'm talking incorrectly entered (or just arbritrary dates) which are then revised sometimes days after the initial set date has passed. Eg. for games releasing weeks after the originally entered date.

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  # 239370 27-Jul-2009 15:47
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ahmad: Madcat11 what you pay from Xt/Telecom/Vodafone to 2degrees is determined by your plan on that network. It has nothing to do with 2degrees essentially, and, if that Russell Stanners is to be believed then wholesale termination rates have no effect on retail pricing (!!!).



It wouldn't happen but what if hypothetically 2degrees charged a $1/min termination fee?



How would VF/Telecom get around that when the majority of their plans are flat rate to either network?? Would they be able to change the agreed upon contract??



I think what Russell Stanners said was that termination rates do not currently have a direct effect on retail pricing (since net payment between companies is close to 0.  Their real value is in discouraging competition, which he acknowledged would be likely to drive prices down).


I think you'll find that the commerce commission would get involved very quickly if termination rates were set at $1, and while they wasted time deciding what to do it might be possible for telecom and vodafone to raise their prices to the same level and put 2 degrees out of business.

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  # 239394 27-Jul-2009 16:59
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Wade: I see DSE have removed the detail from the main links...



Who's to say the 27th date wasn't just a default date generated on standard ERP detail?

Its an estimated date of delivery, therefore would have zero indictation of launch date. I'd imagine they already have thousands of sim packs if not phones in the distribution centre already, but obviously wont be sent out till launch.

Also i noticed there are 2Degrees stands in various DSE stores all saying Launching August, nothing more.

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  # 239428 27-Jul-2009 19:20
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Well they have gone from the site, my order isnt confirmed and there is still no charge on my card so I guess they are not shipping today ;)




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  # 239453 27-Jul-2009 20:35
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freitasm: It wouldn't be today - I have the impression some DSE stores have their internal training tonight.



Nope they have already had training for it




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  # 239701 28-Jul-2009 13:19
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Just got the DSE order - no sims in it - the packing slip lists backordered till 30th for them.

The packing is amazingly inefficient. Its a massive box, with some bags of air in it, with a little paper bag in it with the 2 chips I ordered in it - makes farnell look positively sane.




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