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  #297086 8-Feb-2010 16:00
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I cant see the users of $10 text splashing out on an iPhone or anything really capable of using data. The few heavy texters I know already complain about having to get a new phone to move to $12 text and are all going for the crappy R100. Good luck getting them to spend 5-6 times what it costs on a smartphone.




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  #297108 8-Feb-2010 17:13
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PaulBrislen: Well now I'm really confused, AJW.

Either there's a "huge opportunity" as the grandparent post suggests, or there's no opportunity and such plans are unable to make money as you suggest...

Telecom clearly thinks it can make money at it - it offers $10TXT to its CDMA customers and the equivalent $12 TXT to XT customers.

Vodafone has chosen not to offer such a plan and as I said it's got nothing to do with MTR and all to do with which market we chose to go after.

Cheers

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Since you seem to be getting emotional over this issue I would suggest you contact 2D marketing to find out why they do not offer a $10TXT plan. Perhaps they can be more enlightening.

 
 
 
 


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  #297149 8-Feb-2010 18:49
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richms: I cant see the users of $10 text splashing out on an iPhone or anything really capable of using data. The few heavy texters I know already complain about having to get a new phone to move to $12 text and are all going for the crappy R100. Good luck getting them to spend 5-6 times what it costs on a smartphone.


And the R100 only works on UMTS850 MHZ. According to this link there are still plenty of areas using UMTS 2100 MHZ on the TCOM XT network.


http://cid-21228dfc4e937fda.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/Cellsite%20Locations?sa=717607719

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  #297228 8-Feb-2010 22:06
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ajw:
richms: I cant see the users of $10 text splashing out on an iPhone or anything really capable of using data. The few heavy texters I know already complain about having to get a new phone to move to $12 text and are all going for the crappy R100. Good luck getting them to spend 5-6 times what it costs on a smartphone.


And the R100 only works on UMTS850 MHZ. According to this link there are still plenty of areas using UMTS 2100 MHZ on the TCOM XT network.


http://cid-21228dfc4e937fda.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/Cellsite%20Locations?sa=717607719


But there is nowhere that only has 2100 coverage. If there is 2100 there will always be 850.

The biggest advantage of dual band is the ability to split traffic, you can load balance data and voice traffic between the two frequencies to optimise traffic loads and speeds.





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  #297243 8-Feb-2010 22:25
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Seems my house is a blackspot for 850, but a 2100 phone is somewhat ok.

CDMA signal has gone to crap since about 6 months ago as well.




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  #297312 9-Feb-2010 09:25
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richms:
CDMA signal has gone to crap since about 6 months ago as well.


Probably around about the time they starting using that frequency for XT instead of CDMA. :-)




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  #297316 9-Feb-2010 09:36

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Different companies market different products in different ways to different customers.

Vodafone offers TXT2000 and TXT4000 bundles. These are different to Telecom's $10/TXT and yet they are popular with Vodafone customers.

I'm sure there would be questions asked if we all marketed the exact same product at the exact same time in the exact same way.

Vodafone does not have $10/TXT. We have other properties which we sell.

Two Degrees is perfectly able to offer $10/TXT if it wants. It has chosen not to. You'll have to ask them why but I can guarantee the answer is the same as ours: marketing.

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sbiddle:
ajw:
richms: I cant see the users of $10 text splashing out on an iPhone or anything really capable of using data. The few heavy texters I know already complain about having to get a new phone to move to $12 text and are all going for the crappy R100. Good luck getting them to spend 5-6 times what it costs on a smartphone.


And the R100 only works on UMTS850 MHZ. According to this link there are still plenty of areas using UMTS 2100 MHZ on the TCOM XT network.


http://cid-21228dfc4e937fda.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/Cellsite%20Locations?sa=717607719


But there is nowhere that only has 2100 coverage. If there is 2100 there will always be 850.

The biggest advantage of dual band is the ability to split traffic, you can load balance data and voice traffic between the two frequencies to optimise traffic loads and speeds.






Best you have a read of this.

http://www.telepermit.co.nz/mobile_requirements.html

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  #297432 9-Feb-2010 17:23
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ajw:
sbiddle:
ajw:
richms: I cant see the users of $10 text splashing out on an iPhone or anything really capable of using data. The few heavy texters I know already complain about having to get a new phone to move to $12 text and are all going for the crappy R100. Good luck getting them to spend 5-6 times what it costs on a smartphone.


And the R100 only works on UMTS850 MHZ. According to this link there are still plenty of areas using UMTS 2100 MHZ on the TCOM XT network.


http://cid-21228dfc4e937fda.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/Cellsite%20Locations?sa=717607719


But there is nowhere that only has 2100 coverage. If there is 2100 there will always be 850.

The biggest advantage of dual band is the ability to split traffic, you can load balance data and voice traffic between the two frequencies to optimise traffic loads and speeds.






Best you have a read of this.

http://www.telepermit.co.nz/mobile_requirements.html


I'm fully aware of the PTC specs. I'm also fully aware of the fact the R100 does not have PTC type approval. No such approval however is required to connect a device to the XT network, unlike the CDMA or Telecom fixed line networks.

What relevence the PTC specs have to the two statements I made is a mystery to me. If the network build involved areas that have ONLY 2100Mhz 3G coverage I could see the point. This is not the case however.





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  #297436 9-Feb-2010 17:36
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PaulBrislen: @ajw

Different companies market different products in different ways to different customers.

Vodafone offers TXT2000 and TXT4000 bundles. These are different to Telecom's $10/TXT and yet they are popular with Vodafone customers.

I'm sure there would be questions asked if we all marketed the exact same product at the exact same time in the exact same way.

Vodafone does not have $10/TXT. We have other properties which we sell.

Two Degrees is perfectly able to offer $10/TXT if it wants. It has chosen not to. You'll have to ask them why but I can guarantee the answer is the same as ours: marketing.

Paul

But! Two Degrees has 9c text to any network. No other NZ mobile network has 9c text!




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sbiddle:
ajw:
sbiddle:
ajw:
richms: I cant see the users of $10 text splashing out on an iPhone or anything really capable of using data. The few heavy texters I know already complain about having to get a new phone to move to $12 text and are all going for the crappy R100. Good luck getting them to spend 5-6 times what it costs on a smartphone.


And the R100 only works on UMTS850 MHZ. According to this link there are still plenty of areas using UMTS 2100 MHZ on the TCOM XT network.


http://cid-21228dfc4e937fda.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/Cellsite%20Locations?sa=717607719


But there is nowhere that only has 2100 coverage. If there is 2100 there will always be 850.

The biggest advantage of dual band is the ability to split traffic, you can load balance data and voice traffic between the two frequencies to optimise traffic loads and speeds.






Best you have a read of this.

http://www.telepermit.co.nz/mobile_requirements.html


I'm fully aware of the PTC specs. I'm also fully aware of the fact the R100 does not have PTC type approval. No such approval however is required to connect a device to the XT network, unlike the CDMA or Telecom fixed line networks.

What relevence did PTC specs have to the two statements I made is a mystery to me. if the network build involved areas that have ONLY 2100Mhz 3G coverage I could see the point. This is not the case however.






My point being that Telecom have a 3G roaming agreement with these operators listed in the UK. The UMTS function of this handset is useless without 2100 MHZ there are no operators in the UK that use the UMTS850MHZ band. I do realise the 2G GSM can be used for voice and TXT.


http://gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/roa_nzt3.shtml

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coffeebaron:
But! Two Degrees has 9c text to any network. No other NZ mobile network has 9c text!


I guess some people also don't remember the 'free' texts you get from magic top-ups

PaulBrislen:

I'm sure there would be questions asked if we all marketed the exact same product at the exact same time in the exact same way.


My question would be (other than why you all are colluding!): Why bother having 3 networks then?  If they all have the same deals thats boring, but if we can efectively break it down to:

Vodafone: On-net bundles
Telecom: Different bundles
2degress:  Cheaper per txt rate and free ones with top ups

They are all different, and you can chose the one that works better for you.  If you don't like what one company offers, move to another.

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Telecom $10 TXT extended until further notice;

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=39&topicid=57086&page_no=2#298486

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