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  Reply # 302861 28-Feb-2010 01:03
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Kiwisurfer - an 8250! Yikes, that's such a classic!

2degrees appear to have done a good network, i'll say that. Very hard to get a drop-out.


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  Reply # 302864 28-Feb-2010 02:19
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ozki: I have recently been traveling all over nz north and south island, by land and sea and I had both my 2deg n Vodafone cells with me and another person had telecom ... over all 2deg was tops then vod and lastly telecom for best overall reception


Pardon me??? 2D uses the Vodafone NZ 2G network to roam onto when out of its own coverage and 2D can not roam onto the Vodafone 3G network. Vodafone have quite a few 3G only cells around NZ Also Vodafone now has 3G 900mhz marine coverage sites around NZ this is detailed on the Vodafone NZ coverage maps. www.vodafone.co.nz/coverage

Please stick to facts not made up stories this is Geekzone not the trademe forums

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Made up stories? Sorry but my observation is that 2degree's 2G network is better than Vodafone's 2G network where they have their own coverage -- especially in Auckland. This is from observation via Nokia's NetMonitor on my 8250.

Vodafone has many well located 3G-only sites which would help enhance 2G coverage but they've chosen not to add 2G services to these cell sites. That means 2G coverage in some area is quite poor -- yet 2degree has good signal in these areas due to building out a [b]lot[/b] of 2G cell sites.

Heck 2degree even manages to provide service to areas where Vodafone have no service. One example is Waitakere -- Telecom/2degrees have service and Vodafone does not.

You have a point that 2degree roams on Vodafone outside the main cities, so 2degrees coverage = Vodafone coverage. However within the cities 2degrees generally performs better on 2G. Time will tell whether or not their site placement is good enough for 3G.

I was with Vodafone for 5 years so I have an idea of what their coverage really is like throughout Auckland. 2degrees has impressed me with providing 4-5 bars almost anywhere I go -- including areas where VF has no service or just 1 bar of service.

- James


what suburbs in waitakere have no vodafone coverage?

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 302872 28-Feb-2010 07:25
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Waitakere township 2D colocate on the Telecom site

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  Reply # 302942 28-Feb-2010 11:24
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johnr: Waitakere township 2D colocate on the Telecom site

John



Yip thats the one I was thinking of. Sorry Waitakere is a bit of a broad name.

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  Reply # 302956 28-Feb-2010 12:11

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ozki: I was going on that facts of how often on my 2deg ph I could ring and tx yet neither Vodafone or telecom cells could, they had emergency only showing on screen. 



So you were using a different handset for each of the networks? Were all of these handsets exactly the same make and model, and running the same firmware version? 


If not then this is hardly a scientifically sound experiment.


my 2deg ph and my vodafone are both sony 901 phs  ... admittedly the telecom one was different but it is there latest model ... so ur right not that scientific  

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  Reply # 303798 2-Mar-2010 21:21
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johnr: Waitakere township 2D colocate on the Telecom site

John


so where is vodafone? why is vodafone not co-locating? isn't there any room left?

interesting thought that vodafone could do- allow vodafone customers in the waitakere township to automatically roam onto the 2degress network using their cell site when vodafone customers have no reception. Could vodafone do this? Save you guys some money instead of building new cell sites.

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  Reply # 303810 2-Mar-2010 21:42
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johnr: Waitakere township 2D colocate on the Telecom site

John


so where is vodafone? why is vodafone not co-locating? isn't there any room left?

interesting thought that vodafone could do- allow vodafone customers in the waitakere township to automatically roam onto the 2degress network using their cell site when vodafone customers have no?reception. Could vodafone do this? Save you guys some money instead of?building new cell sites.


No room left on the Telecom Mast now 2D panels are half way down the TCNZ mast as it is

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  Reply # 303813 2-Mar-2010 21:52
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johnr: Waitakere township 2D colocate on the Telecom site

John


so where is vodafone? why is vodafone not co-locating? isn't there any room left?


interesting thought that vodafone could do- allow vodafone customers in the waitakere township to automatically roam onto the 2degress network using their cell site when vodafone customers have no reception. Could vodafone do this? Save you guys some money instead of building new cell sites.


I doubt Vodafone will allow roaming in this case. I should point out that roaming can not just be turned on for a single cell site -- it has to be enabled for the LAC (area code) the cell site is assigned to. To give you an idea of the scale, a single LAC on 2degrees usually contain up to 100 or so sites. Auckland itself only has 3 LACs on 2degree's network (numbered 1, 2 and 3 to no surprise!) for around 300 or so sites.

As for the question about why VF hasn't covered this area, I guess they decided it wasn't economically viable to do so. But given both Telecom and 2degrees obviously thought it was worth covering, I wonder if the 'not economically viable' argument holds water here...

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  Reply # 303815 2-Mar-2010 21:56
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yuxek:
johnr: Waitakere township 2D colocate on the Telecom site

John


so where is vodafone? why is vodafone not co-locating? isn't there any room left?

interesting thought that vodafone could do- allow vodafone customers in the waitakere township to automatically roam onto the 2degress network using their cell site when vodafone customers have no?reception. Could vodafone do this? Save you guys some money instead of?building new cell sites.


No room left on the Telecom Mast now 2D panels are half way down the TCNZ mast as it is


John


Does the TCNZ mast matter? I'm not aware of any TCNZ masts with VF antennas attached -- whereas there are several Woosh and 2degrees collocations on TCNZ masts. So VF seem to have an adversion to working with TCNZ for some reason.

Which brings me to the point, that they could always build their own. And they missed the opportunity to split building costs by working with 2degree (and perhaps other interested operators like the railways) to build a joint mast.

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  Reply # 303819 2-Mar-2010 22:00
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Greenhithe Upper Harbour Drive just down the road from me is a TCNZ / Vodafone co-locate mast there are lots around NZ

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  Reply # 304150 3-Mar-2010 20:26
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interesting article:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/cellphone_tower_sharing.html

its says vodafone doesn't want all carriers in new zealand to all share a single network.

maybe that's why vodafone doesn't allow it's waitakere township customers to roam to 2degrees. because vodafone was in nz before 2degrees so how can 2degrees get the waitakere site before vodafone?

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  Reply # 304157 3-Mar-2010 20:32
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yuxek: interesting article:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/cellphone_tower_sharing.html

its says vodafone doesn't want all carriers in new zealand to all share a single network.

maybe that's why vodafone doesn't allow it's waitakere township customers to roam to 2degrees. because vodafone was in nz before 2degrees so how can 2degrees get the waitakere site before vodafone?


Or as you have already been told, they cannot turn it on for just a single site!

FFS, its one blackspot out of many in west auckland, most caused by the luddite attitude the locals have to any progress. If you want it sorted and the many others out that way then just hope that the supercity will get some of those backwards morons out of local politics and back on the commune.




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  Reply # 304181 3-Mar-2010 21:00
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yuxek: interesting article:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/cellphone_tower_sharing.html

its says vodafone doesn't want all carriers in new zealand to all share a single network.

maybe that's why vodafone doesn't allow it's waitakere township customers to roam to 2degrees. because vodafone was in nz before 2degrees so how can 2degrees get the waitakere site before vodafone?


Look at what happened when Telecom built that Waitakere township mast they had to have a guard on it 24/7 for quite a while

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  Reply # 304398 4-Mar-2010 13:49
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can a cell site only go on a mast? aren't there any other ways to put a mini cell site up without a mast?

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  Reply # 304403 4-Mar-2010 13:57
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yuxek: can a cell site only go on a mast? aren't there any other ways to put a mini cell site up without a mast?


There are lots of ways

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