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  Reply # 308699 18-Mar-2010 12:03
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Come on people, dont make me put you all into the naughty corner.



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Reply # 308702 18-Mar-2010 12:07
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Now look what you did, you sicced a mod onto us :-)

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  Reply # 308731 18-Mar-2010 13:30
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Damn you, Dangermouse! Thanks to you I've had the theme song to that bloody cartoon rattling round my head for the last two days... He's the greatest, he's fantastic, wherever there is danger he'll be there... Danger Mouse...



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  Reply # 308738 18-Mar-2010 13:43
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Irritatingly catchy, innit ;-)

Penfold, shush...

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  Reply # 308741 18-Mar-2010 13:48
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Dangermouse:

Penfold, shush...


Right, chief, I am now in a permanent state of shushness!




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  Reply # 308743 18-Mar-2010 13:51
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  Reply # 310180 23-Mar-2010 12:45
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There are lots of other people affected by their lack of SMS interconnects, not just Vodafone UK and Vodafone IE customers. They only support SMS to the top 21 desinations, that's a around 180 less than Vodafone or Telecom. As 2degrees grow they are certain to grow this list considerably.


Are you implying that Telecom/Vodafone supports SMS to 201 countries (i.e. 180+21)? Please do provide a source for this info as that number seems grossly inflated. A friend did some tests with SMS to various European countries when 2D launched last year on all 3 networks -- and he found that even VF and Telecom had some networks with SMS issues -- including not working at all in both directions.

Anyway, I understand VFNZ's concern that they might be seen to be blocking 2D from making an agreement with VF in other countries -- which I believe is not true. But it is quite interesting to observe that in many countries VF operates in, 2D has managed to make an agreement with many (if not all) of the other non-VF operators but not VF itself. Now I wonder if the situation would have been different if VF did not have any operations in NZ...?

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  Reply # 310188 23-Mar-2010 12:59
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KiwiSurfer:
There are lots of other people affected by their lack of SMS interconnects, not just Vodafone UK and Vodafone IE customers. They only support SMS to the top 21 desinations, that's a around 180 less than Vodafone or Telecom. As 2degrees grow they are certain to grow this list considerably.


Are you implying that Telecom/Vodafone supports SMS to 201 countries (i.e. 180+21)? Please do provide a source for this info as that number seems grossly inflated. A friend did some tests with SMS to various European countries when 2D launched last year on all 3 networks -- and he found that even VF and Telecom had some networks with SMS issues -- including not working at all in both directions.

Anyway, I understand VFNZ's concern that they might be seen to be blocking 2D from making an agreement with VF in other countries -- which I believe is not true. But it is quite interesting to observe that in many countries VF operates in, 2D has managed to make an agreement with many (if not all) of the other non-VF operators but not VF itself. Now I wonder if the situation would have been different if VF did not have any operations in NZ...?

- James 


There are only ~195 countries in the world so the simple answer is no! :-)

My understanding (and I do stand to be corrected if proven wrong) is that both Telecom and Vodafone have 2 way SMS to every (or very close to it) desination network they have a roaming agreement with. This is 210 destinations with Telecom and around the same from Vodafone using either their own IMSI or the Vodafone Holland 2nd IMSI one they use for a handful of destinations.


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  Reply # 310200 23-Mar-2010 13:15
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My understanding (and I do stand to be corrected if proven wrong) is that both Telecom and Vodafone have 2 way SMS to every (or very close to it) desination network they have a roaming agreement with. This is 210 destinations with Telecom and around the same from Vodafone using either their own IMSI or the Vodafone Holland 2nd IMSI one they use for a handful of destinations.



If you read my other post on how it actually works, you'll note that I have pointed out that the issue is primarily with networks with which the operator does not have a roaming agreement with*. That's true for us too.

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*But it's also true that a lot of networks also require a separate billing agreement for SMS, even once the technical capability has been tested, in order to open up interoperator traffic.




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  Reply # 312058 28-Mar-2010 15:20
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International SMS has never been as reliable as national SMS. I resort to other methods such as messenger or email or Twitter.

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  Reply # 314246 2-Apr-2010 20:14
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So for those having problems with not getting texts back fro Vodafone Ireland or Vodafone UK you can either:


1) Do what 2 Degrees say and harass all your friends and family in Ireland / UK to harass Vodafone IRL / UK

or

2) Just switch to Vodafone NZ or Telecom NZ and get on with having a proper 2 way connection


I know which one is easiest

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  Reply # 314268 2-Apr-2010 21:18
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You forgot a third option, ask your friend in the UK to change to a different network.

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  Reply # 314304 2-Apr-2010 23:06
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International txt with 2D 9c; VF 30c.

Any questions?

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  Reply # 314306 2-Apr-2010 23:17
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moshpit77: So for those having problems with not getting texts back fro Vodafone Ireland or Vodafone UK you can either:

1) Do what 2 Degrees say and harass all your friends and family in Ireland / UK to harass Vodafone IRL / UK

or

2) Just switch to Vodafone NZ or Telecom NZ and get on with having a proper 2 way connection

I know which one is easiest



And also the most expensive at 30c/txt.

I wouldn't mind international text bundles, even if they were pricier than national ones.


 

 



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  Reply # 318194 14-Apr-2010 09:10
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I will ask my own contacts what reponse they have received from VF; I'm guessing none, or they will have been told that 2D is the problem. Yawn...


My brother had the following response from VF Ireland when he enquired as to why his txts were not arriving at their destination -

Response back from Vodafone on the matter implied that they 'allow 2degrees messages to filter through to Vodafone customers' but that they cannot guarantee that messages sent there will be received by that network because 'they will not allow it without an agreement'

Take from that what you will. Are they implying that VF are indeed sending the messages and that 2D aren't receiving them? Or just more BS...

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