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  Reply # 495494 19-Jul-2011 22:34
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hey i didnt say it could happen overnight....


quite a number of you are starting to get titchy

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  Reply # 495496 19-Jul-2011 22:43
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i guess what i was trying to get at is that snap should install their own 3g stuff and have data counted in/towards the internet monthly plan, even if the plans was $10/m more it would still pay itself off

AND

yes we know the cost factor but im sure when being the best provider out there you would have no real issues in recovering the cost plus some in a short time.


<sarcasm>
Great, business case done on Snap's behalf.  I personally would be surprised if Snap are not out now installing their own  3g data network.. that $10 extra month (from what, potentially a few thousand customers) is going to easily cover the costs of building a multi-million dollar 3g network, paying for daily running cost, maintenance and upgrades. 

Infact, because it is so easy I am really amazed everyone is not doing it! (better not let Orcon, WXC and SlingShot etc. know)
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  Reply # 495498 19-Jul-2011 22:49
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AviZ:
Cell towers are not repeaters at all not even close, Have you tired to purchase some 3G spectrum lately?



define what the cell phone towers are, and their job.


A cell tower 3G / 2G is connected back to the Core network elements over a transmission path IuB eg (IP , ATM , Microwave) and connects to elements like MSC , BSC , RNC , GGSN and the list goes on

For a mobile repeater (RF AMP) only talks to the serving cell to improve signal in a smaller area like in building coverage

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  Reply # 495537 20-Jul-2011 06:23
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AviZ: i guess what i was trying to get at is that snap should install their own 3g stuff and have data counted in/towards the internet monthly plan, even if the plans was $10/m more it would still pay itself off.



Radio spectrum is a finite resourse. This means it's physically impossible for it to offer the same network capacity as a fixed line network. Simple economics and market forces tell us that something that is

a) fininte and
b) convenient or delivering to new markets

will always be able to attract a price premium.

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  Reply # 495583 20-Jul-2011 09:12
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To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.

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  Reply # 495650 20-Jul-2011 11:28

wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.



No, if each customer pay's $10 they will make billions in about a week. BTW what is the population of Christchurch?

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  Reply # 495652 20-Jul-2011 11:29
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SteveON:
wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.



No, if each customer pay's $10 they will make billions in about a week. BTW what is the population of Christchurch?


stop trolling! 400,000 population in chch, minus 60k that left after earthquake

edit: 400,000 not 200,000 





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  Reply # 495673 20-Jul-2011 11:54
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But if each customer pays $10 extra on top of the prices which already probably don't have huge margins there wont be many customers paying the $10 because its 'too expensive' and suddenly the billions aren't rolling in.

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  Reply # 495690 20-Jul-2011 12:19

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SteveON:
wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.



No, if each customer pay's $10 they will make billions in about a week. BTW what is the population of Christchurch?


stop trolling! 400,000 population in chch, minus 60k that left after earthquake

edit: 400,000 not 200,000 


Lets assume that we have 100% of the Chch base with a $10 plan, 110 towers will be about 11Mill Plus the network and infrastructure back end, putting it about 20Mil to service Chch... 

Let's work on a 10% margin, assuming that we are not making losses on the $10 plan... That's a profit of $340,000 per month. That's pretty sweet; they will get their investment back in 58 months or 4.9 years. 

Trolling away...

I can do math. Note: My estimates are way out! 

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  Reply # 495712 20-Jul-2011 12:56
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wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.


Really what about in building coverage on this band?

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  Reply # 495725 20-Jul-2011 13:22
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johnr:
wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.


Really what about in building coverage on this band?


Not sure, I spoke to MED and 112 was the number of sites another provider had put in to cover Christchurch. I was researching building a data only or voice+data network in Christchurch as part of the spectrum auctions. I don't have access to my research docs any more so can't be more specific.

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  Reply # 495731 20-Jul-2011 13:34
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wjw:
johnr:
wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.


Really what about in building coverage on this band?


Not sure, I spoke to MED and 112 was the number of sites another provider had put in to cover Christchurch. I was researching building a data only or voice+data network in Christchurch as part of the spectrum auctions. I don't have access to my research docs any more so can't be more specific.


I think you're talking about 2ghz not 3.

 

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  Reply # 495736 20-Jul-2011 13:39
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johnr:
wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.


Really what about in building coverage on this band?


there is not many in-building coverage required for christchurch at the moment





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  Reply # 495764 20-Jul-2011 15:00
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jbergler:
wjw:
johnr:
wjw: To get full cell phone coverage in Christchurch with 3Ghz spectrum it takes 112 cell sites. Takes a lot of customers to justify that.


Really what about in building coverage on this band?


Not sure, I spoke to MED and 112 was the number of sites another provider had put in to cover Christchurch. I was researching building a data only or voice+data network in Christchurch as part of the spectrum auctions. I don't have access to my research docs any more so can't be more specific.


I think you're talking about 2ghz not 3.

 


Could be, the detail is in docs I dont have... :-) 

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