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  #799500 15-Apr-2013 11:06
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networkn:
nathan:
networkn: I got this back via email from NZL@microsoft.com


"Unfortunately we no longer have SBS 2011, what you can do is to purchase SBS 201 OEM license you can get this from OEM companies like Dell, Acer etc.

Once you have SBS 2011 you will have a Windows server 2008 and you can use that as a Guest.


Seems based on that it's a legal configuration, as it should be.


If you have Premium you can install Windows Server a host and use SBS as a guest

If you have SBS Standard you have to run SBS on the metal


I have premium and want to run SBS on the metal and the 2008 as a guest. 

I can't see why MS would care from a licensing perspective if I did this, since I have used each license 1 time. 


I'm not sure on the why, but the Product Use Rights are documented here

http://download.microsoft.com/documents/uk/smallbusiness/products/sbs/SBS%202011%20Licensing%20Datasheet.pdf



Virtualization

If you have a server running Hyper-V (or other virtualization technology) which was purchased and licensed separately, you can run the SBS 2011 products as a VOSE on that host. This is supported both from a licensing and a technical perspective. You cannot use the SBS 2011 Essentials or SBS 2011 Standard server as a Hyper-V host or to run the RDS server role. You may use the Premium Add-on to run the Hyper-V server role and host VOSEs and run the RDS server roles and all its role services, e.g., RD Session Host



Virtualization and the Premium Add-On.

You may install and use one copy of the Premium Add-on server software as a POSE or a VOSE on a licensed server. If run as a VOSE, you may run an additional instance of the operating system on a physical machine in order to run hardware virtualization software, provide hardware virtualization services, or run software to manage and service operating system environments on the licensed server. This server software must be run joined to an SBS 2011 domain. All other VOSE workloads require their own license.



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I'm not sure on the why, but the Product Use Rights are documented here

http://download.microsoft.com/documents/uk/smallbusiness/products/sbs/SBS%202011%20Licensing%20Datasheet.pdf



Virtualization

If you have a server running Hyper-V (or other virtualization technology) which was purchased and licensed separately, you can run the SBS 2011 products as a VOSE on that host. This is supported both from a licensing and a technical perspective. You cannot use the SBS 2011 Essentials or SBS 2011 Standard server as a Hyper-V host or to run the RDS server role. You may use the Premium Add-on to run the Hyper-V server role and host VOSEs and run the RDS server roles and all its role services, e.g., RD Session Host



Virtualization and the Premium Add-On.

You may install and use one copy of the Premium Add-on server software as a POSE or a VOSE on a licensed server. If run as a VOSE, you may run an additional instance of the operating system on a physical machine in order to run hardware virtualization software, provide hardware virtualization services, or run software to manage and service operating system environments on the licensed server. This server software must be run joined to an SBS 2011 domain. All other VOSE workloads require their own license.



So this differs from what MS Licensing have just told me? 

This paragraph here doesn't seem clear to me. 


If you have a server running Hyper-V (or other virtualization technology) which was purchased and licensed separately, you can run the SBS 2011 products as a VOSE on that host. This is supported both from a licensing and a technical perspective. You cannot use the SBS 2011 Essentials or SBS 2011 Standard server as a Hyper-V host or to run the RDS server role. You may use the Premium Add-on to run the Hyper-V server role and host VOSEs and run the RDS server roles and all its role services, e.g., RD Session Host



I read that if I have SBS Standard I can't install the hyper-v and host machines, but if I have premium, I can do that? Since I have premium, then I should be able to do what I want.

I don't understand why if MS isn't going to allow you to run hyper-v and host other machines, why it's even physically possible, programatically MS should have blocked it from being installed and removed all the ambiguity 

Just to confirm I have my terminology understanding correct here (I'd never heard the term POSE/VOSE before today)

VOSE = Guest
POSE = Metal or "Host" 




 
 
 
 


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  #799516 15-Apr-2013 11:18
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I'm not sure on the why, but the Product Use Rights are documented here

http://download.microsoft.com/documents/uk/smallbusiness/products/sbs/SBS%202011%20Licensing%20Datasheet.pdf



Virtualization

If you have a server running Hyper-V (or other virtualization technology) which was purchased and licensed separately, you can run the SBS 2011 products as a VOSE on that host. This is supported both from a licensing and a technical perspective. You cannot use the SBS 2011 Essentials or SBS 2011 Standard server as a Hyper-V host or to run the RDS server role. You may use the Premium Add-on to run the Hyper-V server role and host VOSEs and run the RDS server roles and all its role services, e.g., RD Session Host



Virtualization and the Premium Add-On.

You may install and use one copy of the Premium Add-on server software as a POSE or a VOSE on a licensed server. If run as a VOSE, you may run an additional instance of the operating system on a physical machine in order to run hardware virtualization software, provide hardware virtualization services, or run software to manage and service operating system environments on the licensed server. This server software must be run joined to an SBS 2011 domain. All other VOSE workloads require their own license.



So this differs from what MS Licensing have just told me? 

This paragraph here doesn't seem clear to me. 


If you have a server running Hyper-V (or other virtualization technology) which was purchased and licensed separately, you can run the SBS 2011 products as a VOSE on that host. This is supported both from a licensing and a technical perspective. You cannot use the SBS 2011 Essentials or SBS 2011 Standard server as a Hyper-V host or to run the RDS server role. You may use the Premium Add-on to run the Hyper-V server role and host VOSEs and run the RDS server roles and all its role services, e.g., RD Session Host



I read that if I have SBS Standard I can't install the hyper-v and host machines, but if I have premium, I can do that? Since I have premium, then I should be able to do what I want.

I don't understand why if MS isn't going to allow you to run hyper-v and host other machines, why it's even physically possible, programatically MS should have blocked it from being installed and removed all the ambiguity 

Just to confirm I have my terminology understanding correct here (I'd never heard the term POSE/VOSE before today)

VOSE = Guest
POSE = Metal or "Host" 





Its unsupported to add the Hyper-V role to an SBS Server

VOSE = Virtual
POSE = Physical

With Premium you get another Windows Server physical license, so you can use that to install on the host, then run SBS as a guest

With Standard you don't get another Windows Server license, and since its unsupported to add Hyper-V role to SBS, you'd need to run the no charge Hyper-V Server for instance on the host



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Its unsupported to add the Hyper-V role to an SBS Server

VOSE = Virtual
POSE = Physical

With Premium you get another Windows Server physical license, so you can use that to install on the host, then run SBS as a guest

With Standard you don't get another Windows Server license, and since its unsupported to add Hyper-V role to SBS, you'd need to run the no charge Hyper-V Server for instance on the host


So what MS Licensing told me was incorrect? 

So those sites where we have SBS Standard with Hyper-V Installed to run Linux Spam Filters, we need to uninstall Hyper-V, install VMWare Server or VMWare Player and convert the machine to that format?


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  #799524 15-Apr-2013 11:27
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Its unsupported to add the Hyper-V role to an SBS Server

VOSE = Virtual
POSE = Physical

With Premium you get another Windows Server physical license, so you can use that to install on the host, then run SBS as a guest

With Standard you don't get another Windows Server license, and since its unsupported to add Hyper-V role to SBS, you'd need to run the no charge Hyper-V Server for instance on the host


So what MS Licensing told me was incorrect? 

So those sites where we have SBS Standard with Hyper-V Installed to run Linux Spam Filters, we need to uninstall Hyper-V, install VMWare Server or VMWare Player and convert the machine to that format?



I'm not sure on what MS Licensing told you?  Is it different to what I posted in that PDF?

what I normally do is run the free Hyper-V Server 2012 as my host on the physical tin, and then run SBS or normal Windows Server as a Guest VM



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  #799527 15-Apr-2013 11:29
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Its unsupported to add the Hyper-V role to an SBS Server

VOSE = Virtual
POSE = Physical

With Premium you get another Windows Server physical license, so you can use that to install on the host, then run SBS as a guest

With Standard you don't get another Windows Server license, and since its unsupported to add Hyper-V role to SBS, you'd need to run the no charge Hyper-V Server for instance on the host


So what MS Licensing told me was incorrect? 

So those sites where we have SBS Standard with Hyper-V Installed to run Linux Spam Filters, we need to uninstall Hyper-V, install VMWare Server or VMWare Player and convert the machine to that format?



I'm not sure on what MS Licensing told you?  Is it different to what I posted in that PDF?

what I normally do is run the free Hyper-V Server 2012 as my host on the physical tin, and then run SBS or normal Windows Server as a Guest VM


I posted above what MS Licensing told me.  Which as I read it said that if I had Premium I could run the 2008 as a guest. 

The problem with running the configuration you run, is that as far as I can tell, there is no way for us to get the existing tape hardware solution that customers run, visible to the guest OS and therefore they need to buy another backup solution, which is more expensive.



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Can I clarify one additional point?

Is it from MS's perspective that they don't allow you run the premium addon as a Guest of Hyper-V if SBS is the host, or any form of virtualization? Could I install SBS on Tin, then VMWare Server, and then 2008 R2 as a guest?

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