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#1145000 1-Oct-2014 18:09

BigHammer: Is this something that needs to be manually accounted for the world over or can it be populated from a master list somewhere?

It should be automatic - Cloudflare worked without a problem. Amazon AWS Route 53 must be doing some very bad validations...

MurrayM

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#1145007 1-Oct-2014 18:24

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mattwnz:
MurrayM: I reserved all my domain names, except for one which was in conflict. I've registered an interest to get my conflicted name, but I'm not sure if I'm meant to contact the other owner or if the DNC will do it or what. It makes sense for the DNC to do it otherwise we run the risk of the other party thinking my email is a scam or something.

Yes this is exactly the issue I am having with some clients. It doesn't look as though the DNC will be contacting them. If my client contacts the other domai ownerm they could (a) think is is a scam
(b) Try to sell them the domain rights via negotiation
(c) Refuse to let it go and also want to claim the rights for the .nz

One of my clietns has a pretty good .co.nz domain which they registered in the 90's and it is conflicted by a .org registered about 4 years ago. If sold in the open market, the .co.nz would have a large value in IP, compared to the .org, but it is conflicted so they can't get the shorter domain, and I am pondering what they should do. It appears that if there is a conflict, and both parties want it, that they could be forced to a tribunal which potentially could cost some coin. Also as it involves my time in helping them, I don't know if I should be charging to help those clients, or just send them to the anyname website to sort it out themselves.

I'd be explaining the situation to your clients and then telling them that they can either handle the negotiations themselves or you could do some of the work for them but that you'll need to charge your usual hourly rate. This could potentially take a lot of time in working out so you have to be clear right from the get-go that you'll have to charge for your time.

If I understand things correctly, if one of the parties refuses to give up their rights to the .nz name then no one can ever register it (so long as the blocker keeps their current domain name registered and doesn't let it lapse).

JamesL

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#1145018 1-Oct-2014 18:34

My surname.nz is conflicted with two others.

The .co.nz guy was happy for me to register it but the .org.nz is being a dick about it, his excuse was he might want an email or website one day even though he won't be able to register it either.. He's not even using the .org.nz for anything.

I hope that conflicted domains will become available after 30th March 2016 as well as it seems a bit stupid to let it stay conflicted forever..

mattwnz

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#1145053 1-Oct-2014 19:01

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JamesL: My surname.nz is conflicted with two others.

The .co.nz guy was happy for me to register it but the .org.nz is being a dick about it, his excuse was he might want an email or website one day even though he won't be able to register it either.. He's not even using the .org.nz for anything.

I hope that conflicted domains will become available after 30th March 2016 as well as it seems a bit stupid to let it stay conflicted forever..

Apparently if you both request it via the anyname website, and the other person has said they don't want it on the anyname website, then two parties wanting it will be emailed, and the DNC 'may' offer a facilitation service. Pretty vague though, and doesn't mention costs or what facilitation involves. In some part of their website it says it is free, but the actual guide doesn't say this.
However all this involves all parties going to the anyname website, and following the process, which I think many people just won't want to be bothered with, or may find it too complex or confusing as people need their UDAI.

It sounds like you have contacted the other party directly. I am wondering if the DNC(which is an impartial party) had contacted them instead, if the result would have been different. By you contacting them may have sown the seed that they could potentially use it themselves for their own email or website etc.

More details on conflicted domains can be found at http://anyname.nz/pdfs/conflict-how-to-guide.pdf

mattwnz

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#1145056 1-Oct-2014 19:05

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MurrayM:

If I understand things correctly, if one of the parties refuses to give up their rights to the .nz name then no one can ever register it (so long as the blocker keeps their current domain name registered and doesn't let it lapse).

Thanks, yes that is the way I read it too. I still think that it would be more professional if the anyname website system automatically emailed all conflicted parties as soon as a conflict request is lodged. It would certainly look more professional for a third party associated with the NZ registry to contact them, rather than one of the conflicted domain owners. ALso would save a lot of time, as the DNC can fully explain the situation to them. Many people who have .nz domains still don't know about any of this.
I suspect many of the best domains will remain conflicted, as it will be the best domains that will be conflicted, and many people just won't bother with the anyname website to unblock a conflicted domain.

JamesL

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#1145095 1-Oct-2014 20:25

I'd already contacted the .co.nz guy and he was really good about it, because he was so good about it I offered to setup an email forward for him if I was successful.

The .org.nz on the other hand didn't really comprehend the situation very well.

Without me contacting them then it would just sit there going no where as its not clear whether the DNC will actually contact other domain owners..

In the meantime I've registered 4 letters of my surname so I can have bla.aaah.nz

mattwnz

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#1145243 2-Oct-2014 00:03

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JamesL:

The .org.nz on the other hand didn't really comprehend the situation very well.

Without me contacting them then it would just sit there going no where as its not clear whether the DNC will actually contact other domain owners..

I think if the DNC contacts affected people directly, they are in a far better position to explain the situation in full, and they are impartial. It sounds like the person may have been confused, and didn't want to sign something away the rights to something, to someone who is basically a stranger to them , which is perfectly understandable. In a way I am surprised that the anyname.nz website encourages people to contact the other domain owners due to privacy etc, even though those contact details are on public record in the whois . I can't see anywhere that says that the DNC will contact other conflicted users who don't use the anyname website.

MurrayM

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#1145276 2-Oct-2014 07:17

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mattwnz:
I think if the DNC contacts affected people directly, they are in a far better position to explain the situation in full, and they are impartial. It sounds like the person may have been confused, and didn't want to sign something away the rights to something, to someone who is basically a stranger to them , which is perfectly understandable. In a way I am surprised that the anyname.nz website encourages people to contact the other domain owners due to privacy etc, even though those contact details are on public record in the whois . I can't see anywhere that says that the DNC will contact other conflicted users who don't use the anyname website.

I agree 100% with you, it should be the DNC that contacts conflicting domain name owners to explain the situation and tell them what their options are.

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#1145320 2-Oct-2014 08:58

JamesL: I'd already contacted the .co.nz guy and he was really good about it, because he was so good about it I offered to setup an email forward for him if I was successful.

The .org.nz on the other hand didn't really comprehend the situation very well.

Without me contacting them then it would just sit there going no where as its not clear whether the DNC will actually contact other domain owners..

In the meantime I've registered 4 letters of my surname so I can have bla.aaah.nz

Excuse my ignorance, but if you register aaah.nz is it relatively trivial to set up the subdomains? That could be the solution I'm looking for.

I think I'm going to go chat with the .co.nz owner (the small business is actually down the road from me) and if I have no joy there, I'll do what you did.

JamesL

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#1145386 2-Oct-2014 09:59

MurrayM:
mattwnz:
I think if the DNC contacts affected people directly, they are in a far better position to explain the situation in full, and they are impartial. It sounds like the person may have been confused, and didn't want to sign something away the rights to something, to someone who is basically a stranger to them , which is perfectly understandable. In a way I am surprised that the anyname.nz website encourages people to contact the other domain owners due to privacy etc, even though those contact details are on public record in the whois . I can't see anywhere that says that the DNC will contact other conflicted users who don't use the anyname website.

I agree 100% with you, it should be the DNC that contacts conflicting domain name owners to explain the situation and tell them what their options are.

Given you have to list your contact details in the domain whois there's hardly a privacy issue there.

I very much doubt the DNC is going to contact other parties unless its just a computer generated email sent to the admin contact of the domain. I can tell you that by me selecting "I want the domain" or whatever it says no email was generated to the .co.nz guy.

bazzer:
JamesL: I'd already contacted the .co.nz guy and he was really good about it, because he was so good about it I offered to setup an email forward for him if I was successful.

The .org.nz on the other hand didn't really comprehend the situation very well.

Without me contacting them then it would just sit there going no where as its not clear whether the DNC will actually contact other domain owners..

In the meantime I've registered 4 letters of my surname so I can have bla.aaah.nz

Excuse my ignorance, but if you register aaah.nz is it relatively trivial to set up the subdomains? That could be the solution I'm looking for.

I think I'm going to go chat with the .co.nz owner (the small business is actually down the road from me) and if I have no joy there, I'll do what you did.

It's very easy. You just configure your mx records specifying the subdomain you want to use

mattwnz

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#1145569 2-Oct-2014 13:47

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bazzer:
JamesL: I'd already contacted the .co.nz guy and he was really good about it, because he was so good about it I offered to setup an email forward for him if I was successful.

The .org.nz on the other hand didn't really comprehend the situation very well.

Without me contacting them then it would just sit there going no where as its not clear whether the DNC will actually contact other domain owners..

In the meantime I've registered 4 letters of my surname so I can have bla.aaah.nz

Excuse my ignorance, but if you register aaah.nz is it relatively trivial to set up the subdomains? That could be the solution I'm looking for.

I think I'm going to go chat with the .co.nz owner (the small business is actually down the road from me) and if I have no joy there, I'll do what you did.

It is a little unprofessional though, and they may wonder where you have got their details from, as many domain registrants will not be aware their contact details are public.. I think the least the DNC could do is send an email informing conflicted domain registrants that they maybe contacted by the other conflicted domain owners. That way people are prepared, and will have likely already made a decision as to whether they will want the shorter nz domain or not.

JamesL

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#1145647 2-Oct-2014 14:49

I had emailed each domain owner a month prior to the 30th querying their thoughts, linking them to anyname.nz and advising that our domain will be in conflict. The .co.nz guy thanked me for contacting him and would get back to me after he'd had time to think. The .org.nz guy chose to ignore the email until I phoned him yesterday.

I'm not really fussed how you perceive it really, the fact of the matter is I already know where I stand with regards to the domain. I don't have to sit round and wonder what the DNC will do, which is probably nothing.

I'd rather take the initiative than sit on my hands and do nothing. Whether or not the other domain holder would've acted differently if it was the DNC contacting him rather than me, I don't really care.

bazzer

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#1145672 2-Oct-2014 15:05

mattwnz:
bazzer:
JamesL: I'd already contacted the .co.nz guy and he was really good about it, because he was so good about it I offered to setup an email forward for him if I was successful.

The .org.nz on the other hand didn't really comprehend the situation very well.

Without me contacting them then it would just sit there going no where as its not clear whether the DNC will actually contact other domain owners..

In the meantime I've registered 4 letters of my surname so I can have bla.aaah.nz

Excuse my ignorance, but if you register aaah.nz is it relatively trivial to set up the subdomains? That could be the solution I'm looking for.

I think I'm going to go chat with the .co.nz owner (the small business is actually down the road from me) and if I have no joy there, I'll do what you did.

It is a little unprofessional though, and they may wonder where you have got their details from, as many domain registrants will not be aware their contact details are public.. I think the least the DNC could do is send an email informing conflicted domain registrants that they maybe contacted by the other conflicted domain owners. That way people are prepared, and will have likely already made a decision as to whether they will want the shorter nz domain or not.

Unprofessional how? I didn't need to use the domain registrant's details because their contact details are on their website, of course!

In any case, I don't mind being perceived as "unprofessional" and it may even work in my favour. My wife and I just want it for our personal domain, nothing business related.

mattwnz

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#1147010 3-Oct-2014 22:53

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bazzer:
mattwnz:
bazzer:
JamesL: I'd already contacted the .co.nz guy and he was really good about it, because he was so good about it I offered to setup an email forward for him if I was successful.

The .org.nz on the other hand didn't really comprehend the situation very well.

Without me contacting them then it would just sit there going no where as its not clear whether the DNC will actually contact other domain owners..

In the meantime I've registered 4 letters of my surname so I can have bla.aaah.nz

Excuse my ignorance, but if you register aaah.nz is it relatively trivial to set up the subdomains? That could be the solution I'm looking for.

I think I'm going to go chat with the .co.nz owner (the small business is actually down the road from me) and if I have no joy there, I'll do what you did.

It is a little unprofessional though, and they may wonder where you have got their details from, as many domain registrants will not be aware their contact details are public.. I think the least the DNC could do is send an email informing conflicted domain registrants that they maybe contacted by the other conflicted domain owners. That way people are prepared, and will have likely already made a decision as to whether they will want the shorter nz domain or not.

Unprofessional how? I didn't need to use the domain registrant's details because their contact details are on their website, of course!

In any case, I don't mind being perceived as "unprofessional" and it may even work in my favour. My wife and I just want it for our personal domain, nothing business related.

Largely because most people who will be conflicted will not be experts in NZ domain names and the various rules etc. So there is the risk that contacting the other registrant, you could unknowingly mislead them over their rights. I think at the very least there should be a template that is provided, that contains full links to information so that conflicted domain registrants are fully informed. I can see some people contacting other registrants, and asking for their UDAI so they can remove the conflict for them. The risk with this is huge, as the registrants own domain could be transferred with the UDAI. As all conflicted domain owners must use the anyname.nz website anyway, I don't really know why all conflicted domain owners haven't been automatically emailed to inform them of everything.

I have a client who appears to be conflicted with their competitor. So obviously them contacting their competitor directly for the domain is possibly no the best idea. So a third party is really the only solution. As I am their domain provider they have asked us to contact them, but I am not sure that is the best idea either.

martinjward

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#1148371 6-Oct-2014 16:47

Random Q,

I have attempted to register some .nz domains via domainz.net.nz

Have I blown out by using domainz as a register? I had hoped just to initially get them sorted with domainz via a 1 year registration and sort anything else out later down the track...
They have taken money off of a credit card and apparently created an account, however constant calls/emails and they won't send me through those details.
Is there a chance that I might miss out on what I am attempting to register?

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