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#1853948 28-Aug-2017 12:12

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This weekend I have moved 500GB to Backblaze B2 and deactivated all Crashplan machines I had.

So by deactivating your Crashplan machines, you're now running the risk of not being able to restore any missing files that you had previously backed up in the Crashplan backup sets. This was why I continued with the Crashplan Pro account for now - I didn't want to cancel the plan straight away and lose all the backup history.

Also, online backup shouldn't be the only backup for data that includes versions. Removing one backup typically shouldn't be catastrophic.

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#1854095 28-Aug-2017 14:41

Anyone seen any good candidates for linux based backup? Single Server Ubuntu.

Had CrashPlan running headless on my server for a few years now, and my subscription with them is still good through to Jul-18, but never really found any good alternatives. BackBlaze would be an excellent one, but AFAIK they've never released a Linux client despite their storage infrastructure being linux based last I read.

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#1854100 28-Aug-2017 14:44

jpwise:

Anyone seen any good candidates for linux based backup? Single Server Ubuntu.

Had CrashPlan running headless on my server for a few years now, and my subscription with them is still good through to Jul-18, but never really found any good alternatives. BackBlaze would be an excellent one, but AFAIK they've never released a Linux client despite their storage infrastructure being linux based last I read.

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Jp.

The last update on the backblaze personal FAQ page was recent and indicated they where not planning a linux client... I do feel that as linux clients can be dockerised really easily that it would open them up to the same issues as crashplan home, data hoarders using it as cheap storage, which is why as a mac/windows client it becomes harder to use on NAS (COTS and custom).

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#1854112 28-Aug-2017 14:53

jpwise:

Anyone seen any good candidates for linux based backup? Single Server Ubuntu.

Borg Backup. It's incremental, deduplicating, and supports sending data to other Unix hosts.

I run it on my Amazon Linux server. I upload my backups to Amazon S3 using the command line tools, then download them to my PC using the same command line tools - s3 sync. Previously I uploaded to dropbox using the dropbox uploader script, but that isn't really suitable as it doesn't delete old files, and Borg deletes files regularly because of its deduplication.

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#1854119 28-Aug-2017 15:00

timmmay:

jpwise:

Anyone seen any good candidates for linux based backup? Single Server Ubuntu.

Borg Backup. It's incremental, deduplicating, and supports sending data to other Unix hosts.

I run it on my Amazon Linux server. I upload my backups to Amazon S3 using the command line tools, then download them to my PC using the same command line tools - s3 sync. Previously I uploaded to dropbox using the dropbox uploader script, but that isn't really suitable as it doesn't delete old files, and Borg deletes files regularly because of its deduplication.

What are the overall costs like? I've got a 5 drive RAID5 with about 8tb of raw storage, presently about 3tb consumed and backed up to CrashPlan. For the previous ~76/yr it's a good deal. I've only got the 1 server to back up, so at $10/month for the CrashPlan Pro it's a jump, but not unrealistic, although I'd need to re-check with exchange rates factored in.

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#1854138 28-Aug-2017 15:07

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What are the overall costs like? I've got a 5 drive RAID5 with about 8tb of raw storage, presently about 3tb consumed and backed up to CrashPlan. For the previous ~76/yr it's a good deal. I've only got the 1 server to back up, so at $10/month for the CrashPlan Pro it's a jump, but not unrealistic, although I'd need to re-check with exchange rates factored in.

3TB is never going to be cheap when you pay for storage by the GB.

Borg Backup is free, open source. S3 would cost approx US$40 per month for S3 storage, IA class (online, reliable). BackBlaze B2 will be US$15/month. If you have another server with enough storage you can send the backups there using ssh, automatically.

You might be better need a tiered backup system. Most stuff gets saved to a local disk, particularly the data that rarely changes. Anything that changes frequently gets sent to cloud backup.

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#1854144 28-Aug-2017 15:09

Paul1977:

Already tried clearing the cache, took about 24 hours to rebuild then the same thing happened when trying to compact again.

Interesting thought about the file verification though, I'll try pushing it way out to only do it every 30 days then manually run it once so it hopefully won't do it again.

On the backup schedule I have now set the schedule to never run (i.e. set to "specified times" but deselected all days), and have also disabled the "watch in real-time" settings.

Hopefully this will mean nothing can possibly interrupt it.

When I ran it again after changing those settings it seems to have picked up where it left off, so 95.8% through the pruning process at the moment (although estimating 10 hours for the last 4.2%). Hopefully it will finish this time, and then proceed to compacting in order to actually reclaim the space.

Would have been far easier if they had not limited the migration to 5TB. CrashPlan Home is unlimited, CrashPlan Small Business is unlimited - stupid that your archive needs to be under 5TB to migrate between the two.

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#1854147 28-Aug-2017 15:14

Crashplan for Small Business is currently at $10.96 per month at the current exchange rate, so about $130ish a year.

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#1854152 28-Aug-2017 15:23

Some awesome information here - thanks all.

The timing of my CrashPlan renewal means with the 60 day extension I'm covered until October next year! And can then continue with the Small Business plan at 75% off ($2.50pm) for the 12 months after that. So that's almost 2 years before I need to do anything really :-).

But I think I'm going to use what's here to strengthen my backup strategy now anyway.

Do Arq and Cloudberry Desktop play nicely if I ran one of them alongside CrashPlan?

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#1854166 28-Aug-2017 15:59

mgeek:

Do Arq and Cloudberry Desktop play nicely if I ran one of them alongside CrashPlan?

Yes.

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#1854170 28-Aug-2017 16:04

TL;DR Not going back to Carbonite, need a Linux client and "peer-to-peer" backup (along with "normal" Mac and Windows clients). Currently trying out qBackup for Windows desktop backup to home SFTP server, Backblaze for Windows desktop and Mac laptop and HashBackup to Backblaze B2 for the Linux machine.

I used Carbonite (and Mozy as well at one point I think) before switching to Crashplan because of their Linux client and Carbonite seemed to be resource heavy.

With Crashplan I was backing up to their servers one Windows desktop, one Mac laptop, and a Linux machine that houses all our photos etc (and other stuff, but it was photos that took up most of the backup). I was also backing up an "offsite" Windows desktop to the Linux machine using the peer-to-peer backup support. The total backed up to their servers was less than a 1TB.

Carbonite still doesn't have a Linux client so I just ignored them. Backblaze doesn't have a Linux client either but does have the B2 storage service.

I started with the offsite machine backing up to home. Cloudberry came recommended in the Backblaze post and in my Google searches. I gave it a try backing up to the FTP server at home (over a VPN), but it only did one file per connection (open connection, login in, send file, close connection, repeat), used huge amounts of RAM (saw over 9GB), and then reported that the backup had failed even though gigabytes of files had be created on the server. Tried again with SFTP and saw a Keep Alive option. This time it transferred all the files without closing the connection, but otherwise failed just as before. Gave up with it. Tried Acrosync Duplicacy, which worked more or less but only allowed you to select a single directory to backup. Then I found qBackup. Set it running and 8 hours later it reported that it had successfully backed up over 120k files of about 150GB total, using less than half a GB of RAM. Simple interface, and seems to just work. I tried a restore and that also worked fine. It doesn't have a built in scheduler but they have instructions on using the OS scheduler to run backups.

Great I thought, qBackup has clients for Windows, Mac, and Linux so I'll use that for the Linux backup to B2 as well. Nope, apparently requires GL which my remote X redirection session thingy doesn't support (Linux machine is headless, more or less). So then I came across HashBackup, which is quite nice. By default it backs up locally and sends that up to numerous different cloud providers (yes you can backup a single backup to multiple cloud destinations), but you can also limit how much it stores locally (down to 0 if you want). It creates a key file to encrypt the backup and tells you that it is very important that you make a separate backup copy(s) of it :-). It is currently in "beta" and free, but that could change at anytime. Like a number of Linux backup clients it allows you to mount the backup archive and then access it using your preferred file manager.

For the remaining Mac laptop and Windows desktop I'm leaning towards Backblaze computer backup. I'm testing it on Mac laptop at the moment, but for it I might give qBackup -> b2 a go as well (it's only ~100GB to backup so B2 would be cheaper with more control of version retention).

I also just sync/copy our photos up to S3 with a migration plan thingy that moves them to Glacier after a week or so. Getting them back for there would be a last resort so it really is an archive.

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#1854228 28-Aug-2017 17:49

Anyone considered using https://mountainduck.io/ or similar to mount a B2 bucket as a local drive and then back up using non-cloudaware backup software?

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#1854308 28-Aug-2017 20:01

jpwise: Anyone seen any good candidates for linux based backup? Single Server Ubuntu. ...

I'm currently trialling UrBackup. They have cross platform clients and can do backups across the Internet to another of your machines. So far, no costs involved.

As an alternative, do you have a local NAS box? They all seem to be Linux friendly.

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#1854352 28-Aug-2017 20:31

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jpwise: Anyone seen any good candidates for linux based backup? Single Server Ubuntu. ...

I'm currently trialling UrBackup. They have cross platform clients and can do backups across the Internet to another of your machines. So far, no costs involved.

As an alternative, do you have a local NAS box? They all seem to be Linux friendly.

I tried that a while back, mostly for image backups. I should try again for files. I'm mostly Windows as based though.

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#1854362 28-Aug-2017 21:13

amanzi:

Anyone considered using https://mountainduck.io/ or similar to mount a B2 bucket as a local drive and then back up using non-cloudaware backup software?

Any backup storage that can be addressed like that really needs versioning turned on so a virus can't wipe it out. I don't think I'd be keen, it increases risk and backups are about managing risk.

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