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Topic # 87017 18-Jul-2011 10:23
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Interested in who has seen the new VRam based pricing structure. What are your thoughts on it? Are you considering using another visualization product now?

Seems it would mean we need 3x enterprise plus licenses per server for 128GB of ram which is a massive cost.....

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  Reply # 494513 18-Jul-2011 10:31
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Leave it to VMware to make an expensive product even MORE expensive. ;)




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  Reply # 494542 18-Jul-2011 10:54
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Yea I saw this. We have been using ESXi for a while now and around 2 months away from shifting to their paid for products. Really glad we hadn't already taken the plunge as this changes the whole economics of it. Will probably look at Xen Server or Hyper V now.





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  Reply # 494546 18-Jul-2011 10:56
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Zeon: Yea I saw this. We have been using ESXi for a while now and around 2 months away from shifting to their paid for products. Really glad we hadn't already taken the plunge as this changes the whole economics of it. Will probably look at Xen Server or Hyper V now.


We were running ESXi, tested XenServer for a while and now went back to ESXi. All in their free offerings. Although XenServer gives you more for the free version, we found it less reliable.

But VMware really screwed up their SME pricing now. 




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  Reply # 494551 18-Jul-2011 10:58
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Interested in what you mean by less reliable?

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  Reply # 494561 18-Jul-2011 11:06
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What's worse is that the free ESXi now only supports 8GB vRAM. They want students and folks to set up their labs on Hyper-V or Xenserver. VMware have shot themselves on the foot.




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  Reply # 494572 18-Jul-2011 11:13
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lxsw20: Interested in what you mean by less reliable?


We had some bad experiences with VMs not booting up properly after a host reboot, and the OS we're using (Ubuntu) wasn't officially supported by Citrix until recently (still in beta, apparently).

VMware, even though costly, is much more robust in that sense. 




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  Reply # 494574 18-Jul-2011 11:14
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billgates: What's worse is that the free ESXi now only supports 8GB vRAM. They want students and folks to set up their labs on Hyper-V or Xenserver. VMware have shot themselves on the foot.


That I didn't know! Big problem for us. 




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  Reply # 494610 18-Jul-2011 11:57
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magu:
billgates: What's worse is that the free ESXi now only supports 8GB vRAM. They want students and folks to set up their labs on Hyper-V or Xenserver. VMware have shot themselves on the foot.


That I didn't know! Big problem for us. 


How much vRAM does a VMware vSphere Hypervisor license provide?
A vSphere Hypervisor license includes a vRAM entitlement of 8GB.


They have renamed free ESXi to VMware vSphere Hypervisor. I think VMware is just milking it now because they know that Hyper-V, Xenserver and KVM are catching up. They might as well make as much $$$ as they can before their marketshare will drop.

edit - Just so everyone knows, if you have the essentials kit licensing on version 5 then the vRAM policy is enforced by the vSphere 5 server. On the standard and above licensing, it's not enforced so if you do go overboard, your server will stay unlincensed but it will let you install VM's.


4.1 still has 8 years I think before EOL so good enough for us for now.    




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  Reply # 494613 18-Jul-2011 12:00
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This is their old pricing: http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere/pricing.html

The new one is available as a very complicated PDF: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf




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  Reply # 494710 18-Jul-2011 13:50
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magu: This is their old pricing: http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere/pricing.html

The new one is available as a very complicated PDF: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf



Thanks for sharing the document magu, it does clarify a few things. Looks like there will be a few unhappy customers of VMware. Another viewpoint is also blogged at http://www.nzcs.org.nz/newsletter/article/152
In principle I support vRAM based licensing but I do agree that the vRAM limit should be increased from 48GB to somewhat more reasonable. It is unfair on existing customers to pay more if they want to move to vSphere 5.

  

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  Reply # 494731 18-Jul-2011 14:07
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magu: This is their old pricing: http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere/pricing.html

The new one is available as a very complicated PDF: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf



Thanks for sharing the document magu, it does clarify a few things. Looks like there will be a few unhappy customers of VMware. Another viewpoint is also blogged at http://www.nzcs.org.nz/newsletter/article/152
In principle I support vRAM based licensing but I do agree that the vRAM limit should be increased from 48GB to somewhat more reasonable. It is unfair on existing customers to pay more if they want to move to vSphere 5.

  


My big beef with VMware (and it's always been the same) is how expensive is to go from the Essentials kit (3-host limit) to 4 hosts. It's unreasonable. 




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  Reply # 494780 18-Jul-2011 15:10
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we currently have a small number of 4.1 hosts running standard edition, each with 64 gigs of RAM. Under this model it seems the best way for us to proceed is to purchase 2 enterprise edition licenses for each host (no upgrade rights from standard to enterprise even though we have paid for support) which will increase the costs about 300% 

Honestly...wtf is this? 




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  Reply # 494859 18-Jul-2011 16:24
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Isn't vRam the ram assigned to the virtual machine, not the host server?





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  Reply # 494866 18-Jul-2011 16:32
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yup and currently that would be fine. Its when we upgrade everything to 2008 svr that we are going to have a problem.




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  Reply # 494872 18-Jul-2011 16:47
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browned: Isn't vRam the ram assigned to the virtual machine, not the host server?




The licensing with vSphere 5 say for e.g entitles you to 24GB vRAM under Standard kit. That's for all the VM's combined that will be powered on on a host server. 24GB is the total limit for all VM's combined that are powered on. It's pathetic really. Not against vRAM pricing but they need to increase the vRAM allocation/license by quite a bit.




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