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Wannabe Geek

  Reply # 682138 6-Sep-2012 09:28
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From a public health POV we don't want you to have endless access to as much content as you choose. You can get very sick. Just look at the number of people that porn is making sick.

Some of this stuff is actually driven by public policy and it's done for reasons that most people neither know, understand or care about.

Good point, I am probably biased towards it as i believe in 'self responsibility' a concept not many people seem to understand these days. 

Anyway here is another thought..
Do you need a physical music collection? Or would you be happy if it was all in the cloud? 
Many artist are uploading their music to youtube now and getting paid through advertising by people watching their videos. This is infact how vevo works it is a joint venture between sony, umg, etc.
I use to hate vevo because most of the time you could not save the mp3 from their videos although vevo does not cause that it is due to licencing etc. I also understand that if the song is saved to your computer they do not get the view count each time you play it. 

There has to be some give from the previous 'pirates' getting everything for free and whatever the solution is must support the artist. Therefore is the future of music in an online advertising platform such as youtube or similar?

I think the occasional add is a small price to pay and i know when I am watching it that it supports the artist. It also gives small time artist more of a chance (also allows them to avoid all their profits being taken by wmg etc). Although for this to work 're-uploaders' who re-upload the same song under their own name must be removed as they are taking away some of the view count and therefore some of the profit. Also people must make sure they click on videos by the official channels. 

As I know some people will be concerned about audio quality, youtube supports 192kbps. Might not satisfy an audiophile but it is good enough and I am sure it will increase in the future. Although if this was the future I would like to see a more music and playlist orientated platform than you tube. 

How much do artist get paid through spotify? 


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  Reply # 682184 6-Sep-2012 10:27
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Anon1: Good point, I am probably biased towards it as i believe in 'self responsibility' a concept not many people seem to understand these days. 

It's a concept we teach our children, but the reality is that as we grow up we come to realise the world is way more complex than our parents could have explained to us as children.

We have different groups of adults taking responsibility for different issues for the whole community.

Education is provided by teachers.
Health is provided by doctors and medical staff
Telecommunications is provided by IT people
TV is provided by TV people.
Power by power people... you get the idea.

Each has public policy issues and that's where government agencies come in to provide that over riding public policy management.

On top of that we have a political layer to ensure that the policy layer is in fact both benefiting and the general wishes of the public.

Try and explain that to my 4 yr old son.

How much do artist get paid through spotify?

You keep talking about artists, but keep forgetting all the other people who have been involved in bringing art to you over the past 100 years.

Radio stations aren't just run by a DJ.

You're also not talking about all the new ticket clippers in the telco sector that this revenue is moving to. 

The APRU isn't changing, it's just being moved from the existing ticket clippers to a new set.

The global objection is that the old clippers are still paying for music development while the new clippers are just enabling it to be stolen.

The focus needs to be on YouTube, Spotify, NetFlix and the like, funding the production of new content.

How many artists has TelstraClear or Telecom developed this year?

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Wannabe Geek

  Reply # 684614 11-Sep-2012 21:17
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My main problems with you tube advertising are:
1) Pre-rolls suck. Especially when you have already seen them a hundred times. I must have seen the meridian energy pre-roll about 30 times in the last two days
2) There is no reason they cannot make a separate panel directly under the video instead of over-laying adds directly on top
3) Both these methods of advertising are annoying, intrusive  and based on greed. They ruin the viewing experience and while brand recall might be good IT MAKES ME HATE THE BRAND!


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  Reply # 684632 11-Sep-2012 21:51
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Hey, that's a really good summary. But you know you could create a project that automatically informs the youtube poster of the reasons you outline for using a different service and requests the youtube poster uploads the desired clip to the service you prefer. And, provide a referral server that automatically directs like minded users to their/your preferred services for a particular YT clip.

This is not dead easy to get right - but it's not genius level either. It is within the reach of anyone who can access open source code and learn how to create a browser extension.

At least you and other people will learn something in the process instead of DDOSing a service that many people rely on.

The correct functioning of the Internet is routing around broken or malfunctioning services - not DDOSing them and making them unavailable completely.

[Edit: Yes I agree 1,2,3 really suck. I cannot see them lasting a long time for that reason]


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  Reply # 686546 15-Sep-2012 21:54
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My personal approach to this problem is YouTube's html5 trial:

The trial only works on videos with no advertising.

The main reason I use this trial is because I do not have Adobe Flash or Adobe Reader installed on my main system. This is because I dislike Adobe's badly written automatic updater and other parts of their Flash and Reader products.

Both Chrome and Safari come with the WebKit pdf reader plugin anyway.

If I really want to see a video with advertising I fire up Chrome. Chrome comes with a flash plug-in which is updated automatically with the browser. Mostly I do not bother with this second step which means I watch few youtube videos with advertising.

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