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#732750 14-Dec-2012 20:20

What do I think is the solution to piracy...?

Remove the obstacles that prevent legal downloading of content.

Price the goods in a fair and reasonable manner.

Get tougher with the laws associated with piracy, once the two items above have been addressed. Once the reasons for illegal downloading have been addressed, there will still be an element of the general population who feel they are 'entitled' to download what they want, when they want, how they want, and not have to pay anything for it.

In any other environment, this would be called 'theft'.

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#732761 14-Dec-2012 20:30

you could have the studio head deliver the dvd to your door and charge you a $1.00 for the service and people would still download content for nothing because they can and free is still cheaper than paying for it. The horse has bolted for any chance in making todays youth expect to pay for content over the internet . People can say anything the can about making content easily available and cheap but unless they make it free then it's to late to stop piracy happening and the only way to stop it is to let the studios etc have tighter control on what you can do with the internet and censor the hell out of it.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#732776 14-Dec-2012 20:36

macuser: I always find it a little funny that a $8 beer is cheap, but a $8 movie rental is causing piracy...

are you serious. is beer really that expensive. First and last bear I had in 1971, Didnt know that expensive now.

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#732779 14-Dec-2012 20:41

MikeSkyrme: What do I think is the solution to piracy...?

Remove the obstacles that prevent legal downloading of content.

Price the goods in a fair and reasonable manner.

Get tougher with the laws associated with piracy, once the two items above have been addressed. Once the reasons for illegal downloading have been addressed, there will still be an element of the general population who feel they are 'entitled' to download what they want, when they want, how they want, and not have to pay anything for it.

In any other environment, this would be called 'theft'.

One thing is for ones like TVNZ to screen full series. Like just reading they played first series of Falling Skies and now stated they dont intend to buy rights to show series 2. Things like that encourage piracy as thats the only way for fans to see them. Thats where Quickflix could pick up the pieces

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#732781 14-Dec-2012 20:46

Gilco2: First and last bear I had in 1971

Well, they're a protected species these days.

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#732786 14-Dec-2012 21:03

There is no human solution to piracy because people are largely dishonest (for want of a better word) when it comes to electronic privacy. I don't think that there will ever be a foolproof system to remove the anonymity essential to most piracy.

Why? Some people will never want to pay. Others will get more pleasure out of things they've taken without paying. Others will not pay while they know they won't be 'prosecuted' or have a low probability of successful 'prosecution' - my son stopped copying pirated movies to a 1TB disk he'd bought when I found out and told him, 'You're free to do that but not in my house.'. Others will not pay as long as they can do it anonymously as public exposure would deter them. Others just do what those around them do. Others are afraid not to do what their peers are doing. I know there are even people who pirate in public and salve their conscience by paying in private. Some are plain ignorant, blissfully unaware where the stuff comes from on the computer someone else gave them or setup for them. Some are so blinkered that they've never noticed that there are legal and moral issue to consider.

On the issue of most people being dishonest, I've found the weight of research supports this. One researcher found that about 10% of people would always take it, about 80% would if they wouldn't get caught. Only about 10% didn't do it. I'm pretty vague on the actual results because it was about 25 years ago.

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#732789 14-Dec-2012 21:16

A really good question.

I don't think there is a straight answer at all. But answers and solutions are very generic.
How do you eradicate crime...well you don't. How do you reduce any sort of crime? One way, make it difficult to perform that act.

I believe going with this, one way to reduce piracy is to make the time and cost involved both costly and in-efficient. The problem is technology makes people smarter and there some very smart people out there who utilize technology for matters around piracy.

Make it easy for people to access and pay for copyrighted material and it helps, but not everyone will pay even the lowest price.
LOL you can walk through the CDB on a Saturday, some promo girl giving out free samples and people decline!

Good question... never an answer.

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#732812 14-Dec-2012 22:28

The level of spending by the media enterprises has framed the debate incorrectly. What is occurring is for the most part not piracy in any traditional sense.

On the topic of reward, in many cases many of these media enterprises do not reward creators very well at all irrespective of how that content is used.

With your free download after a TV showing comments are you arguing for a very short copyright term to enable that or something different?

The price differentials for different region restrictions I would kind of understand if a DVD was $1 in developing regions and $30 in the USA for example but too often it seems closer to being the other way around.

Dividing into regions within first world markets seems completely pointless and of zero benefit to consumers anywhere.

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#732815 14-Dec-2012 22:44

System: I think its fairly simple, if the price that the user is prepared to pay out weighs the hassle that the have to go to to pirate the item then you will have a purchase otherwise they will go and download it from somewhere else.

I also believe the philosophy that a pirated item is a lost sale is false, most people that pirate the item were probably unlikely to go out and purchase it anyway, the reason why they pirated it is because they weren't prepared to pay the price for it.

Completely agree with this. Spotify is a good example - for the price of a CD a month I can listen to as much ad-free music as I want and have it offline-synced to my phone. Paying $2 a pop for something I may not even want was never a great deal.

For movies, I really like the Apple TV service but the lack of selection and it's high price point let it down.

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#732821 14-Dec-2012 23:22

Regarding TV shows, screen the TV show immediately when it is shown in the US. I see media works are now doing this on TV 4.

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#732836 15-Dec-2012 06:54

SaltyNZ:
Gilco2: First and last bear I had in 1971

Well, they're a protected species these days.

oops. d**** auto correction. have to turn it off

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#732890 15-Dec-2012 12:52

mattwnz: Regarding TV shows, screen the TV show immediately when it is shown in the US. I see media works are now doing this on TV 4.

Yeah but in standard def so making the torrented 720p usually a better option.

Also TV in NZ has been thru frame rate conversion or sped up to match the archaic 25Hz rate they stuck with going digital. US sourced torrents are at the native frame rate so artifact free.

The low quality and lack of usability on most devices of the local catch up services also drives people I know to asking me for copys of shows that they have missed. Contrast to US based hulu which has some supurb quality streams and have made inroads into many entertainment platforms.

Then look back at TVNZ's craphouse PS3 player, the lack of anything on any smart tv you can buy from a shop and then you will see why a torrented MKV file is still a hell of a lot more use to anyone wanting to catch up on the bigscreen in the lounge or bedroom compared to a laptop or putting up with low quality flash based PC video playback.

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#732933 15-Dec-2012 16:07

Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

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#732939 15-Dec-2012 17:10

MikeSkyrme: What do I think is the solution to piracy...?

Remove the obstacles that prevent legal downloading of content.

Price the goods in a fair and reasonable manner.

Get tougher with the laws associated with piracy, once the two items above have been addressed. Once the reasons for illegal downloading have been addressed, there will still be an element of the general population who feel they are 'entitled' to download what they want, when they want, how they want, and not have to pay anything for it.

In any other environment, this would be called 'theft'.

Nope. Still just copyright infringement.

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#732947 15-Dec-2012 18:23

Lias: Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

That's simply never going to happen.. The odds of the world ending on the 21st are signifcantly higher.

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