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#732967 15-Dec-2012 19:46

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Lias: Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

That's simply never going to happen.. The odds of the world ending on the 21st are signifcantly higher.

They better get used to piracy then.

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#732969 15-Dec-2012 19:55

Guess what just showed up on my TV when I turned it on to watch something off plex today. TVNZ on demand. No choice in the matter, it just installed it without asking.

Anyway, same low quality as the web based one, thankfully without the tearing and dropped frames that you get with flash based video playback.

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#732973 15-Dec-2012 20:34

I think the music industry is getting it's act together, subscription services, reasonable prices.

With tv in nz, i find quickfix i think, the content is to old, the price is fine.

Homeland a couple weeks most behind US screening is good.

What about Green Arrow. First screening 10th october 2012 in US, not due to screen here to some time next year. No one legally allowed to even sell in nz, guess what's going to happen there.

Another one can't remember name, but on aussie scfi channel, people with special powers help out cia, fbi second season in aussie. I've never even seen it here. People that like scfi are seriously being let down in nz.

Only scfi, fantasy show seen on soho, game of thrones, had no subscription to channel since second season finished, they could do better.

All movies on demand sevices, i.e. sky on demand, apple itunes etc for latest same price. Cheaper at video store. I don't blame sky here etc, but it seems the retail price is set by hollywood, as through all avenues on demand pricing is the same for latest release.

So in my opinion piracy occurs because lack of availabity, and the price is rejected as the marginal cost of producing the product is seen as near $0, unlike a glass of beer. Yes the inital cost of making movie is enormous, but if sold 100 's of millions world wide how much is needed to charge to make fair profit.

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#732974 15-Dec-2012 20:40

For me the biggest annoyance and driver for (movie) piracy is the anti copying warning ads that you see from legit purchases. And the slap in the face after paying $18 for a movie ticket and being told pirating movies is illegal.

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#732975 15-Dec-2012 20:50

Lias:
sbiddle:
Lias: Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

That's simply never going to happen.. The odds of the world ending on the 21st are signifcantly higher.

They better get used to piracy then.

Why? You don't own the content, you're merely licencing it. This is rather significant.

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#733003 15-Dec-2012 23:12

For me it's all about availability and accessibility. I just want to be able to watch the shows in my own time on any device I want. I'm not one to worry about seeing a show within 24 hours of it releasing in the US but I also don't want it to be months away either.

This is also only relevant to me for movies and TV. Most of the music I listen to is underground and because they are trying to get their name out they tend to give their music away for free.

And as for games I use Steam and take advantage of their awesome sales, I mean who can be bothered pirating games when I've bought Mass Effect 1 + 2, Portal 1 + 2, Just Cause 2, Saints Row 2, Dragon Age, Burnout Paradise, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, L.A. Noire etc etc for USD$5.00 or less. Plus games on Steam actually shrink down to a reasonable price after they've been out for a while. I think it would be wise if everybody in the digital distribution business took a page from the book of Steam.

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#733518 17-Dec-2012 12:56

Unless the whole world starts to work together and block every single file sharing site, othervise there wont be any solutions.

But there a few good ways to prevent and minimise piracy population.

To me, piracy is more about people outside US trying to download US content, becasue these are not legally available outside the US. Geo blocking and blabla....

Make streaming services such as netflex, hulu, hulu+ available worldwide will definitely reduce piracy rate.
Make sure Itunes US/AU/NZ... do have the same contents available across countries.. in a timely manner...

Not everyone knows how to use a vpn, so an average internet user would rather pay a small monthly or annual subscription fee for the content.

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#733558 17-Dec-2012 13:22

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Not everyone knows how to use a vpn, so an average internet user would rather pay a small monthly or annual subscription fee for the content.

And those who ARE using a VPN are ALREADY paying a small monthly subscription fee. Indeed, most likely they're paying an ADDITIONAL monthly subscription fee on top of the one(s) for the actual content service.

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#733607 17-Dec-2012 14:15

sbiddle:
Lias:
sbiddle:
Lias: Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

That's simply never going to happen.. The odds of the world ending on the 21st are signifcantly higher.

They better get used to piracy then.

Why? You don't own the content, you're merely licencing it. This is rather significant.

That's a big part of the problem right there, the whole concept of merely "licensing the intellectual property" .

Bugger that, you want my money, I OWN that copy to do whatever the hell I want with.

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#733610 17-Dec-2012 14:22

Lias:
sbiddle:
Lias:
sbiddle:
Lias: Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

That's simply never going to happen.. The odds of the world ending on the 21st are signifcantly higher.

They better get used to piracy then.

Why? You don't own the content, you're merely licencing it. This is rather significant.

That's a big part of the problem right there, the whole concept of merely "licensing the intellectual property" .

Bugger that, you want my money, I OWN that copy to do whatever the hell I want with.

IMO that's ridiculous, and unrealistic. How on earth do you "resell" a digital copy, and why should you be allowed to do so? And why should you be allowed to make money from derivative works, just by paying a small amount for a copy?

Personally I'd be happy if TV shows and Movies were like music now, where you can buy "the rights to view it" for a small fee, with global releases. Downloads need to be fast and the service needs to be easy to use.

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#733615 17-Dec-2012 14:28

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IMO that's ridiculous, and unrealistic. How on earth do you "resell" a digital copy, and why should you be allowed to do so? And why should you be allowed to make money from derivative works, just by paying a small amount for a copy?

Let me turn that on it's head: what's so special about a Britney Spears song that she deserves to keep getting paid again and again and again for it for the next 75 years? I'm not still getting paid for any creative work I did/do in my daily job. Nor would Ford expect to get paid if I bought an old model T, fixed it up, installed a 2.6L twin turbo under the bonnet, and sold it again.

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#734569 18-Dec-2012 21:04

Copyright law would look very different if the actual aim was to ensure multimedia creators are rewarded for their work or increased value. The aim is to reward the rightsholder not the creator.

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#734708 19-Dec-2012 08:36

I see that Instagram are to become a pack of pirates as at January 16 in that they can steal your content and unless you close your account before then there's nothing you can do a bout it. Try using the likes of a Getty image without their permission and their lawyers will on to you real fast .

Guess it's OK for these large companies to steal from you but if you do it back well it's a new ball game..

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#734720 19-Dec-2012 09:05

old3eyes: I see that Instagram are to become a pack of pirates as at January 16 in that they can steal your content and unless you close your account before then there's nothing you can do a bout it. Try using the likes of a Getty image without their permission and their lawyers will on to you real fast .

Guess it's OK for these large companies to steal from you but if you do it back well it's a new ball game..

I was shocked at the permissions this app wanted and the other bits n pieces it would take from my phone...all for a freaking photo enhancer. Who cares... didnt download it.

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#734750 19-Dec-2012 09:41

old3eyes: I see that Instagram are to become a pack of pirates as at January 16 in that they can steal your content and unless you close your account before then there's nothing you can do a bout it. Try using the likes of a Getty image without their permission and their lawyers will on to you real fast .

Guess it's OK for these large companies to steal from you but if you do it back well it's a new ball game..

they could always do what they like with your photos, read the Terms of service, it reads "the service can place ads "on, about or in conjunction with your Content." the new terms of service say
"in connection with paid or sponsored content" cant see much difference.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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