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#737030 24-Dec-2012 23:53

The simplest solution to resolve the situation is at the level of copyright law. Have rightsholders make the work available at a reasonable price for the format and within a reasonable timeframe or forgo the legal protection of copyright for non-profit and non-commercial use of the work until it is available. If you look into copyright law you will see that approach is broadly consistent with the history and purpose of copyright law. It is eminently sensible. It is not a big leap, just a minor evolution.

The fact is as long as tv/networks and movie screen exhibitors will always demand and get exclusive content for their market segments. There will always be a delay to satisfy their demands. Maybe the volume and nature of exclusive content will change as new channels become available but it will always be there to some extent.

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#737053 25-Dec-2012 07:32

gzt: The simplest solution to resolve the situation is at the level of copyright law. Have rightsholders make the work available at a reasonable price for the format and within a reasonable timeframe or forgo the legal protection of copyright for non-profit and non-commercial use of the work until it is available. If you look into copyright law you will see that approach is broadly consistent with the history and purpose of copyright law. It is eminently sensible. It is not a big leap, just a minor evolution.

The fact is as long as tv/networks and movie screen exhibitors will always demand and get exclusive content for their market segments. There will always be a delay to satisfy their demands. Maybe the volume and nature of exclusive content will change as new channels become available but it will always be there to some extent.

I think one problem is deciding on what constitutes a reasonable price and reasonable timeframe as this would differ depending on the markets. Also does it need to be available to all markets concurrently?

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#737080 25-Dec-2012 09:03

In practice tests of reasonableness are not a problem for the law. They exist in CGA and employment law to give just two examples. Something that is available in region 1 only with no region 4 available for years will fail a reasonableness test.

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#737082 25-Dec-2012 09:17

Existing copyright law already states - you can apply to the court to make copies with compensation to the rightsholder set by the court at a reasonable price if the rightsholder is not being sensible about making the work available. This also applies to commercial uses of the work.

Copyright law is intended to balance the needs of users while granting conditional protection to rightsholders.

An on demand provider could take a case of this nature to the tribunal today. In practice a commercial organisation is unlikely to do that because of the strain it would put on future deals.

This kind of case can be brought today by organisations and individuals concerned about availability. Many geekzone members would be happy to contribute to that effort.

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#737120 25-Dec-2012 11:29

Its like pot.
You can make it illegal, and people will still get it by any means they can.

You can make it legal (or avaliable) and you can tax it.

Simple - content producers just need to make their content easily available and they will sell it.

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#749302 23-Jan-2013 09:09

raytaylor: Its like pot.
You can make it illegal, and people will still get it by any means they can.

You can make it legal (or avaliable) and you can tax it.

Simple - content producers just need to make their content easily available and they will sell it.

Precisely.

My *ahem* alleged infringement of copyrighted works from several popular stand-up comedians has stopped completely because it is now easier to simply buy their work (for what is normally an excellent price) and immediately download it than it is to find by other means.

The key information content producers need to take from this is the need for me to use no software you provide (iTunes, anyone) and a complete lack of DRM.

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#756280 5-Feb-2013 20:36

I think the ease of distributing digital content means movies should be at a lower price. I cannot help but feel some aspect of the movie industry resisting change based on greed, it feels like someone crying about the lack of cassette sales because cd's came in.

How much is a movie worth and should a movie be worth today with the ease of digital distributions what it was in dvd days?

Take the movie looper for example, it is currently on iTunes for $29.99 In my opinion you have got to be joking. $30 for one single movie?

Do that not realize the trend for people to watch lots of movies good and bad ? Or is that just me. Do they want to keep the price high so only people who really really want it buy it?

I also see no reason for tv shows from other countries. I like watching shows online, If they were never going to be in nz whats the problem. I don't know.

Maybe once ip tv's are more common they should realize the world is more interconnected than ever before and all content, tv shows and movies should be distributed through one global online system or maybe that is just my love for everything being 'all in one'.

I don't understand or know much about regional content restrictions. But the way i see it is we are not separate anymore. Why do we have to compete country to country with tv shows? Why can't an organisation in whatever country make a tv show and sell it direct to the consumer on a global market simultaneously?

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#756286 5-Feb-2013 20:41

I've just downloaded a British TV series because it seems to be impossible to get it legally. I have Hola and I watched the first episode on iPlayer last night, then went back today to watch the next one only to find that the entire series has been removed from iPlayer. I looked at Amazon UK and found that the DVDs aren't out until November. Ridiculous.

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#756386 6-Feb-2013 05:57

I agree with querty7. The pricing does not reflect even close to actual cost.

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#776267 7-Mar-2013 14:39

In a way I'm glad Kim Dotcom was busted the way he was. Otherwise how would we know for sure the government doesn't mind breaking the law? Go get 'em, Kim!

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#776274 7-Mar-2013 14:49

I see that the Hobbit Blu-ray is out in the US this month but not here until May...

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#776277 7-Mar-2013 14:54

Behodar: I see that the Hobbit Blu-ray is out in the US this month but not here until May...

Earlier this week I attempted to legally acquire via iTunes (as I want them on my iPad for an upcoming 9 hour plane trip) Skyfall, Django Unchained, and Zero Dark Thirty. None of them are available legally. Quite easily available otherwise though.

As a direct consequence, there are three movies that have not been sold to me, even though I specifically went out to attempt to hand over my cash for them. Your loss, Hollywood.

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#776282 7-Mar-2013 14:58

SaltyNZ: Earlier this week I attempted to legally acquire via iTunes (as I want them on my iPad for an upcoming 9 hour plane trip) Skyfall, Django Unchained, and Zero Dark Thirty. None of them are available legally. Quite easily available otherwise though.

I have Skyfall on BR and it comes with a working iTunes code... but you can't download it individually? Stupid.

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#776285 7-Mar-2013 15:02

Behodar:
SaltyNZ: Earlier this week I attempted to legally acquire via iTunes (as I want them on my iPad for an upcoming 9 hour plane trip) Skyfall, Django Unchained, and Zero Dark Thirty. None of them are available legally. Quite easily available otherwise though.

I have Skyfall on BR and it comes with a working iTunes code... but you can't download it individually? Stupid.

You can pre-order it, but it doesn't unlock until the day before I arrive back in NZ, which is effectively not available as far as my purposes are concerned.

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#776318 7-Mar-2013 15:42

I just read this entire thread. What a self-centred bunch we are ....
Some of these quotes in this thread are quiet classic ...

qwerty7: I think by the time a movie is released to tv it should be available for free download. Why not? you can record it and keep it and watch it again.

Why do you expect this to be free?

ajobbins: I'm quite happy to pay a small fee for legal content

Why only a small fee? Surely better quality content should be priced differently?

Should The hobbit in 3D be priced the same as everything else?

Lias: Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

This one is a classic, spoken like someone who torrents all day, every day. Notice the amount of times he uses “I want”.

Lias: the whole concept of merely "licensing the intellectual property" .

Bugger that, you want my money, I OWN that copy to do whatever the hell I want with.

Another classic. Lias you don’t own the rights to the content. Do you know that?

It all boils down to our mindset that I think needs to change. Why do we expect it to be free, or pay very little?

Surely Hollywood can price their work however they like. Why should it be different from any other business? Just because its expensive its assumed that its now our right to get it for free?

There is no easy solution to piracy. You never going to get the self-centred free loaders to suddenly start paying.

I think the law changes in NZ are a good start. I think heavier fines to those that have aleady been caught would be better. Naming and shaming the culprits would be ideal.

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