What do you think is the solution to piracy

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Dairyxox

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#776346 7-Mar-2013 16:39

I havent read the whole thread but...

I believe we should have complete freedom of ideas, with no copyright whatsoever. If you have a good idea, thats great, share it and spread it for the good of mankind.

AFAIK the world got by just fine before copyright was "invented".

I realise this sounds kind of radical, but only because of our cultural conditioning that exists in the society our minds were shaped within.

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#776351 7-Mar-2013 17:01

Dairyxox: I havent read the whole thread but...

I believe we should have complete freedom of ideas, with no copyright whatsoever. If you have a good idea, thats great, share it and spread it for the good of mankind.

AFAIK the world got by just fine before copyright was "invented".

I realise this sounds kind of radical, but only because of our cultural conditioning that exists in the society our minds were shaped within.

It isn't radical. Copyright was invented to facilitate the creation of new ideas. Not so that Disney could be guaranteed multibillion dollar profits in perpetuity. There is no balance, and copyright maximilisation does not protect the starving artists, only the already mega rich.

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Dairyxox

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#776361 7-Mar-2013 17:37

Its hard to understand your post when you dont use real words..."maximilisation"
Also I'm not sure what the point of your post was? Is it pro copyright or negative.

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#776374 7-Mar-2013 18:07

Dairyxox: Its hard to understand your post when you dont use real words..."maximilisation"
Also I'm not sure what the point of your post was? Is it pro copyright or negative.

Wow, that seems like an unnecessarily negative response to his post.

I saw the misspelling, but it seems very clear that there is a typo there and the obvious word substitute is "maximisation".

Similarly his point seems very clear to me also - the creation of copyright was intended to encourage and reward creation by providing the creator with a means to protect income deriving from it for a reasonable period of time. It has gone too far now though and the balance isn't there, as he points out. Strikes me as for copyright in the spirit of its original purpose, and against copyright as it now being applied. A perfectly reasonable point of view I think.

Perhaps in future you should strike for a more conciliatory tone when you don't understand what someone is trying to say, rather than saying things like "Its hard to understand your post when you dont use real words". That way they can clarify for you, and if what they were trying to say is obvious your response won't appear to reflect so badly on you.

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#776375 7-Mar-2013 18:09

NZtechfreak:
Dairyxox: Its hard to understand your post when you dont use real words..."maximilisation"
Also I'm not sure what the point of your post was? Is it pro copyright or negative.

Wow, that seems like an unnecessarily negative response to his post.

I saw the misspelling, but it seems very clear that there is a typo there and the obvious word substitute is "maximisation".

Similarly his point seems very clear to me also - the creation of copyright was intended to encourage and reward creation by providing the creator with a means to protect income deriving from it for a reasonable period of time. It has gone too far now though and the balance isn't there, as he points out. Strikes me as for copyright in the spirit of its original purpose, and against copyright as it now being applied. A perfectly reasonable point of view I think.

Perhaps in future you should strike for a more conciliatory tone when you don't understand what someone is trying to say, rather than saying things like "Its hard to understand your post when you dont use real words". That way they can clarify for you, and if what they were trying to say is obvious your response won't appear to reflect so badly on you.

well said

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#776379 7-Mar-2013 18:13

I reckon it means maximising your millions. ; )/

But seriously. There is more to copyright than pro or anti.

If you were to seriously consider laws and a legal framework that protected the position of creators and consumers it would have very little in common with the existing state of affairs.

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#776389 7-Mar-2013 18:31

Dairyxox: Its hard to understand your post when you dont use real words..."maximilisation"
Also I'm not sure what the point of your post was? Is it pro copyright or negative.

I would normally use the word maximisation myself, but many other tech sites use 'maximilisation' and 'maximilists' when discussing, so I decided to do the same.

I think you got the gist of what the word starting with 'max' meant, irregardless of whether you thought it was or was not perfectly cromulent.

And I'm not sure what the point of your last sentence is. Is it pro correct grammar or negative?

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#776390 7-Mar-2013 18:37

Remove the obstacles that prevent legal downloading of content.

Price the goods in a fair and reasonable manner.
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Nope. It is theft....and there will always be those who prefer free.

But I agree regional pricing is stupid....

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#776398 7-Mar-2013 18:58

Sorry didn't mean to come across overly negative. Just had trouble understanding your contribution.

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#789676 30-Mar-2013 17:24

Klipspringer: I just read this entire thread. What a self-centred bunch we are ....
Some of these quotes in this thread are quiet classic ...

qwerty7: I think by the time a movie is released to tv it should be available for free download. Why not? you can record it and keep it and watch it again.

Why do you expect this to be free?

ajobbins: I'm quite happy to pay a small fee for legal content

Why only a small fee? Surely better quality content should be priced differently?

Should The hobbit in 3D be priced the same as everything else?

Lias: Being blunt, if I was going to pay for video instead of torrenting it, I'd want it available within 24 hours of first airing anywhere in the world, I'd want it in DRM free HD, and I'd want the law to explictly allow me to do anything I wanted with MY copy of the show, including resell it, lend it, remix it, copy portions of it, parody it, etc etc.. You get the idea.

This one is a classic, spoken like someone who torrents all day, every day. Notice the amount of times he uses “I want”.

Lias: the whole concept of merely "licensing the intellectual property" .

Bugger that, you want my money, I OWN that copy to do whatever the hell I want with.

Another classic. Lias you don’t own the rights to the content. Do you know that?

It all boils down to our mindset that I think needs to change. Why do we expect it to be free, or pay very little?

Surely Hollywood can price their work however they like. Why should it be different from any other business? Just because its expensive its assumed that its now our right to get it for free?

There is no easy solution to piracy. You never going to get the self-centred free loaders to suddenly start paying.

I think the law changes in NZ are a good start. I think heavier fines to those that have aleady been caught would be better. Naming and shaming the culprits would be ideal.

Take books and publishing companies for an example, instead of worrying, moaning and complaining that people were downloading illegal e-books instead of paying the full price of a published and physically distributed book did they run to the government complaining that people were 'stealing' there product by downloading these illegal e-books or try to offer ebooks at the full retail price of the hard cover version in the name of greed, did they ruin the internet by filing legal notices wherever sentences or paragraphs of one of their authors was published/modified on the internet or did they move with the times and give customers what they want by offering legally obtained e-books at a reduced price which actually reflects the reduced production cost by distributing this way.

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#790079 31-Mar-2013 23:31

Lol !

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10874548

TV3 has stopped making television shows available to be viewed on mobile phones after its service was hacked.

On Wednesday, a number of popular TV shows that can normally be watched for free on cellphones, but are unable to be recorded by viewers, were illegally downloaded from the On Demand service. Programmes are still able to be watched via streaming to laptops and computers.

"It is theft," TV3 spokeswoman Rachel Lorimer said. "We have suspended some of our mobile content until a security patch can be introduced."

The breach is expected to spark concern at international production companies such as Fox, Warners and Endemol, whose content is protected by strict copyright laws. If people are downloading the content, they are unlikely to buy from those who made it.

Lorimer said: "We expect our mobile phone platforms to be back running normally by the middle of the week."

Paul Brislen, chief executive of the Telecommunications Users' Association, said overseas production firms would be furious.
"Companies such as Fox will take it very seriously indeed that someone has cracked the technology behind TV3's app," he said.

Tom Cotter, general manager of digital at rival TVNZ, said he wasn't surprised by the hacking episode.

"The way Mediaworks have implemented their tablet and smartphone service makes it impossible for them to have the level of security that properly protects the production community," he said.

Greaver

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#790092 1-Apr-2013 02:37

Meh been able to do it for ages, and ripping isky (not that you would want to rofl) is easy as pie

As for the OP - netflix for tv/movies and steam for games, everything else catch you up

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#790216 1-Apr-2013 15:12

Infact most of what I download to watch is a "webrip" - usually in nice native framerate 1080p - why you would want to rip the SD muck that NZ on demand serves up I dont know.

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#790219 1-Apr-2013 15:30

^ Pretty much

Blew my parents mind when they were over and saw what proper 1080p look like compared to their MySky at home

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