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Instead of dragging the TPP discussion off into whacko land, how about starting a separate forum discussion and leaving this one to discuss the TPP etc?Would have been nicer if you were not so judgmental with your opinion on what is and what is not waco.
radicall:It's angling a little off topic, but Churchill's quote is salient:k1wi:radicall: It disgusts me that we have no say in these important issues, Democracy is a corrupt system and a con.We have 'no say' because we are a representative democracy, whereby we choose people to represent ourselves on our behalf. There is nothing new about that - if anything we are much more open than in previous years (for example the budget process is much more open, with relatively few 'secrets' on budget day).
I am sure Key will be cowtailing to the 1% who no doubt have had influence in putting this plan together as part of the NWO agenda.
We are slowly being led the slaughter of our freedom.
Any agreement will still need to be passed through the New Zealand parliament (and the respective legislatures of the other countries).
Yes my comments are more suited for the conspiracy forums, but I don't see democracy as the right representation of the peoples choice, even if the 100% voted 51% in my opinion does not make a decision correct or best for all.
Back to the 1% and here we go,
Just look at the attitude of the Government towards the referendum on Asset Sales, they dont give a hoot for what the people think. 1% Corporate agendas win.
NonprayingMantis: I wonder if the parallel imports thing could also apply to services like netflix, which is currently legal under that parallel import law.
If they made it illegal to get around geoblocking that would mean no more netflix (assuming they cold actually enforce it, which seems less likely)
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SaltyNZ:NonprayingMantis: I wonder if the parallel imports thing could also apply to services like netflix, which is currently legal under that parallel import law.
If they made it illegal to get around geoblocking that would mean no more netflix (assuming they cold actually enforce it, which seems less likely)
We need to get more people onto Netflix. The best way to make people angry is to take something away from them that they love. They got away with the three strikes law by taking the moral high ground ('Won't somebody think of the starving Hollywood megacorps!?') but it's really hard to argue there's anything morally wrong with bypassing a geoblock. If anything you, pay more because you not only pay for the service, but also for the service that lets you access the service. Bypassing geoblocks is bad because ... umm... because we said it was. Also, you know who else bypasses geoblocks? Terrorists, that's who!
So... spread the word, get all your friends on Netflix, Hulu, whatever, before it becomes illegal to bypass geoblocks.
k1wi:radicall:It's angling a little off topic, but Churchill's quote is salient:k1wi:radicall: It disgusts me that we have no say in these important issues, Democracy is a corrupt system and a con.We have 'no say' because we are a representative democracy, whereby we choose people to represent ourselves on our behalf. There is nothing new about that - if anything we are much more open than in previous years (for example the budget process is much more open, with relatively few 'secrets' on budget day).
I am sure Key will be cowtailing to the 1% who no doubt have had influence in putting this plan together as part of the NWO agenda.
We are slowly being led the slaughter of our freedom.
Any agreement will still need to be passed through the New Zealand parliament (and the respective legislatures of the other countries).
Yes my comments are more suited for the conspiracy forums, but I don't see democracy as the right representation of the peoples choice, even if the 100% voted 51% in my opinion does not make a decision correct or best for all.
Back to the 1% and here we go,
Just look at the attitude of the Government towards the referendum on Asset Sales, they dont give a hoot for what the people think. 1% Corporate agendas win.
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
Most of your concerns seem to me to be focused perhaps on the implementation of democracy rather than democracy itself? Parliament could require all bills achieve the 75% majority that constitutional matters require after all, or have other controls on power and the distribution of power. Alternatively it could move more towards direct representation (i.e. binding referendums), but that reduces the power afforded to minorities and there are more minorities than just the "1%".
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These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.
radicall:k1wi:radicall: It disgusts me that we have no say in these important issues, Democracy is a corrupt system and a con.We have 'no say' because we are a representative democracy, whereby we choose people to represent ourselves on our behalf. There is nothing new about that - if anything we are much more open than in previous years (for example the budget process is much more open, with relatively few 'secrets' on budget day).
I am sure Key will be cowtailing to the 1% who no doubt have had influence in putting this plan together as part of the NWO agenda.
We are slowly being led the slaughter of our freedom.
Any agreement will still need to be passed through the New Zealand parliament (and the respective legislatures of the other countries).
Yes my comments are more suited for the conspiracy forums, but I don't see democracy as the right representation of the peoples choice, even if the 100% voted 51% in my opinion does not make a decision correct or best for all.
Back to the 1% and here we go,
Just look at the attitude of the Government towards the referendum on Asset Sales, they dont give a hoot for what the people think. 1% Corporate agendas win.
1080p: Is it normal that legislation in draft is made public?
kiwitrc:1080p: Is it normal that legislation in draft is made public?
Its a Wikileak. Pretty sure neither side of the negotiations wanted it public, least of all the US.
JimmyH:radicall:k1wi:radicall: It disgusts me that we have no say in these important issues, Democracy is a corrupt system and a con.We have 'no say' because we are a representative democracy, whereby we choose people to represent ourselves on our behalf. There is nothing new about that - if anything we are much more open than in previous years (for example the budget process is much more open, with relatively few 'secrets' on budget day).
I am sure Key will be cowtailing to the 1% who no doubt have had influence in putting this plan together as part of the NWO agenda.
We are slowly being led the slaughter of our freedom.
Any agreement will still need to be passed through the New Zealand parliament (and the respective legislatures of the other countries).
Yes my comments are more suited for the conspiracy forums, but I don't see democracy as the right representation of the peoples choice, even if the 100% voted 51% in my opinion does not make a decision correct or best for all.
Back to the 1% and here we go,
Just look at the attitude of the Government towards the referendum on Asset Sales, they dont give a hoot for what the people think. 1% Corporate agendas win.
What?
I'm not sure what you mean by "cowtailing", unless you think that the Dairy Industry has undue lobbying power in the negotiations, but your post seems a but oddball.
1. The material linked to makes it pretty clear that the NZ government is strongly opposing (not supporting) what you claim they are driving through.
2. There is no way the NZ Government could start unilaterally releasing drafts of discussions that the other parties they are negotiating with don't want released. No one one would negotiate with NZ on pretty much anything if we started doing that.
3. I don't see how random references to "the 1%" (whoever you mean by that) have anything whatsoever to do with this? Unless you think that trade is bad and the general public would be better off if NZ went with Autarky and emulated the North Korean economic miracle? (in which case you would be in a very, very small minority).
4. Asset sales are essentially irrelevant to this discussion. And, in any event, I think there is at least a case to say that it was clearly in their election manifesto, they campaigned on it and it was widely debated, and they were elected. That's not exactly ignoring the electorate?
5. References to John Key being a key catspaw of "the 1%" in conspiring to create the the New World Order aren't exactly helping your credibility here. Plus, in your haste to post, you forgot to link him to the Freemasons, the Illuminati, and the Reptillians.
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