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  # 1401068 6-Oct-2015 15:34
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But I think the TPA may affect people buying stuff overseas. For example, I had read that if you wanted to buy licensed products overseas, they can be seized at customs, if a distributor in NZ has the rights to sell them in NZ. Not sure if this may be the end to parallel importing of some goods. I don't think this deal is going to be great for NZ consumers. I think it will benefit the rich in NZ more the middle and lower class. Maybe it will make NZ a richer country as a whole, and bring in more income, but that often doesn't all filter down into the lower classes.


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freitasm: People have lots of "I heard" with no sources. 

In the meantime, someone left the directory browser open here http://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/assets/ 


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freitasm: Check the /docs folder...



I did - it's just what is readily available on US tppa site

Here - https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2015/october/summary-trans-pacific-partnership






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freitasm: People have lots of "I heard" with no sources. 

In the meantime, someone left the directory browser open here http://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/assets/ 


A source doesn't necessarily make it fact though, as they are also often third party. Especially when related to this subject since it was supposed to be all confidential. Yet it is amazing how much information got leaked. But this article discusses what I heard regarding licensed goods. http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2015/1006.shtml#continue 

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Behodar: I think I saw something from Tim Groser a few weeks ago where he said that parallel imports will not be banned under TPP... but we'll need to wait for the full text to know for sure.


The press release in an earlier thread said that parallel importing is not changed..




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  # 1401137 6-Oct-2015 16:49
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Behodar: I think I saw something from Tim Groser a few weeks ago where he said that parallel imports will not be banned under TPP... but we'll need to wait for the full text to know for sure.


The press release in an earlier thread said that parallel importing is not changed..


The devil is in the detail. But this article was written today, after the TPP was agreed, so it more current.

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Now the deal is signed, the process of governments selling it to their own electorates is beginning. There is still a short period where they have monopoly of information advantage ; ).

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gzt: Now the deal is signed, the process of governments selling it to their own electorates is beginning. There is still a short period where they have monopoly of information advantage ; ).


why ,  there's only a vocal minority who actually care, most people couldn't care less.




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mattwnz:
old3eyes:
Behodar: I think I saw something from Tim Groser a few weeks ago where he said that parallel imports will not be banned under TPP... but we'll need to wait for the full text to know for sure.


The press release in an earlier thread said that parallel importing is not changed..


The devil is in the detail. But this article was written today, after the TPP was agreed, so it more current.


Surely - unless there was specific provision to allow parallel importing - then any corporation would have an opening to sue NZ government for financial harm, that being a "given" because if it didn't cause harm, then that corporation wouldn't mind the parallel importing anyway.


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gzt: Now the deal is signed, the process of governments selling it to their own electorates is beginning. There is still a short period where they have monopoly of information advantage ; ).


why ,  there's only a vocal minority who actually care, most people couldn't care less.

The concern about PHARMAC was/is widespread. If there is no real impact it will not be a problem. It is likely our government will take a similar approach to Canada and increase subsidies for the affected area.

Canada's dairy subsidy increase is a sure election winner for next week but they will have problems sustaining it in the long term.

Another 100m on our pharmac budget (i think that was a govt estimate) it won't break the bank and it is probably sustainable but it does start changing the structure of our pharmaceutical market. I'm pretty sure they have not agreed to drug company supervision of the buying process that would be pretty bad.



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gzt: Now the deal is signed, the process of governments selling it to their own electorates is beginning. There is still a short period where they have monopoly of information advantage ; ).


why ,  there's only a vocal minority who actually care, most people couldn't care less.


Yet.
As the details come out, I don't expect devils - just some presently unseen (or undisclosed) dead rats to crawl out one by one.
Anyway - the US has to get this through congress.  The republicans will put up a hell of a fight if there's any chance of it being perceived as being some kind of a glorious legacy from Obama.  

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And so the conspiracy theories and alarmism start all over again...

The trade minister says no change to parallel importing but some bloke on a blog somewhere has heard it's now illegal, so that must be true



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shk292: And so the conspiracy theories and alarmism start all over again...

The trade minister says no change to parallel importing but some bloke on a blog somewhere has heard it's now illegal, so that must be true


I suspect you might have the real conspiracy theory here - one which seems to be based on the concept that anyone expressing caution and not jumping for joy about a deal for which we don't know the details, must be conspiring against gullible "believers".

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