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ascroft
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  #452175 26-Mar-2011 19:38
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Copper is the future! Will work after an earthquake when the power goes out for example. Lets see Fibre handling that.....

Given a lot of the content some from offshore - the data pricing is key - say for 100g for an entry level plan. At the moment its $1 a gig say  so add $100 on to the numbers being thought of. (calc'd from readily available information)

Oh, and a voice service will be extra as well from your retailer - if wanted - personally I would just run cells. Presumably retailers will be forced to offer LI compliant voice solutions if they offer then at all.




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  #452277 27-Mar-2011 08:16
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ascroft: Copper is the future! Will work after an earthquake when the power goes out for example. Lets see Fibre handling that.....



Actually, it was the backup power generators that the main service providers have (running on diesel) that kept going after the earthquake, and the sterling efforts of the humans to keep the tanks topped up...

No reason why they can't power the fibre network...

And for the home: we rely evermore on internet and mobile. So why not have power assurance in your home? Genesis Energy does'nt supply a backup generator for me if power goes, not my own gas tanks if the pits fail. Just a fieldforce to go out and restore as soon as possible. 




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  #452278 27-Mar-2011 08:28
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antoniosk:
ascroft: Copper is the future! Will work after an earthquake when the power goes out for example. Lets see Fibre handling that.....



Actually, it was the backup power generators that the main service providers have (running on diesel) that kept going after the earthquake, and the sterling efforts of the humans to keep the tanks topped up...

No reason why they can't power the fibre network...


And for the home: we rely evermore on internet and mobile. So why not have power assurance in your home? Genesis Energy does'nt supply a backup generator for me if power goes, not my own gas tanks if the pits fail. Just a fieldforce to go out and restore as soon as possible. 


So your wanting everyone with fiber to go out and buy a UPS??  Won't happen..




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  #452295 27-Mar-2011 10:02
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old3eyes:
antoniosk:
ascroft: Copper is the future! Will work after an earthquake when the power goes out for example. Lets see Fibre handling that.....



Actually, it was the backup power generators that the main service providers have (running on diesel) that kept going after the earthquake, and the sterling efforts of the humans to keep the tanks topped up...

No reason why they can't power the fibre network...


And for the home: we rely evermore on internet and mobile. So why not have power assurance in your home? Genesis Energy does'nt supply a backup generator for me if power goes, not my own gas tanks if the pits fail. Just a fieldforce to go out and restore as soon as possible. 


So your wanting everyone with fiber to go out and buy a UPS??  Won't happen..


Battery backups are a reality in the FTTH world. UPS's are installed with current FTTH deployments in NZ and will be installed as part of the UFB rollout.

Who should be responsible for service and maintenance is another issue entirely, and one that is far from being resolved.

The biggest irony of fibre is that we're moving to a world where reliability and uptime could could well be less than that of the copper network due to power issues. In a best case scenario you're talking 6-8 hours before the UPS goes flat and a home will be without PSTN services. Compare this to Chch after the earthquake where the vast majority of people had no interruption in phone service, and those who did  where mainly those those who relied on cordless phones and had no power - their was still a dialtone on their line.

With the criticism telcos have faced in the last few years over 111 services from the Government it's ironic we've moving into a future (funded by the Government) where the reliability of the 111 service will potentially be less than it is now.

I assume that UFB homes will follow the TCF emergency services code and VSP's will advise every user of the pitfalls of the system? Smile


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sbiddle: 
Battery backups are a reality in the FTTH world. UPS's are installed with current FTTH deployments in NZ and will be installed as part of the UFB rollout.

Who should be responsible for service and maintenance is another issue entirely, and one that is far from being resolved.


Where did you get this from, I can tell you right now that current UFB install's don't supply UPS's as standard and the current talk around it is it will be an extra charge.

As for the fibre network going done with power whilst the copper network may stay up currently without the need for UPS's at the client site not many people have corded phones these days so it's moot. Alot of households will suffer from phone outages when power goes out right now 




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Hi, I think Steve refers to the Telecom/Xnet trail sites, where APC UPS's have most definitely been installed as matter of course.

Also as a note, since the big quake in ChCh last month, I have fielded a modest number of calls from people wanting to know how to deal with phone services during a power outage, some have extensive cordless phone systems with sturctured cabling and simply want instructions on how to connect a cheap analog phone in an outage, others have SOHO PABX's, some of which have asked for the battery backup systems to be installed (often not installed at original fitout) and instructions and extra sockets so they can access a CO with the PABX off.

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