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#458689 14-Apr-2011 13:00

grolschie:
StarBlazer:

Okay - keep your hand raised if you have NOT;

Lent or borrowed a CD/DVD/Blu-ray etc etc

Anybody still got their hand up? Really - let's continue

Ehhmm... lending/borrowing a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray is not illegal.

No, but making a mix CD and then giving it to (and recieving it) a MP IS illegal.

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#458690 14-Apr-2011 13:01

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#458691 14-Apr-2011 13:01

grolschie:
StarBlazer:

Okay - keep your hand raised if you have NOT;

Lent or borrowed a CD/DVD/Blu-ray etc etc

Anybody still got their hand up? Really - let's continue

Ehhmm... lending/borrowing a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray is not illegal.

That's next week law passed under urgency..

Regards,

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#458693 14-Apr-2011 13:05

thekiwi:
Looks like Stuff got it pretty right :)

That is a fake. The way URL works on Stuff you can write anything there and the page still loads.

My technology disclosure

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#458703 14-Apr-2011 13:15

The future has not been written,
There is no fate for what we make ourselves.

I wish I could believe that.
My name is [the New Zealand public],
They tried to murder me before I was born.
When I was 13 they tried again.
Machines from the future.
Terminators [sent from MPAA].
All my life, my mother told me [they were] coming.
Judgement day. [1st September 2011]

The beginning of a war between man and machines.
3 Billion [geeks] would vanish [behind VPN's and SSH] in an instant.

And I [pirate party] would lead what was left of the human race to ultimate victory!

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#458712 14-Apr-2011 13:20

jjnz1: The future has not been written.....

hahaahaha, you bet me to it!!
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#458720 14-Apr-2011 13:28

tl54:

I guess my point is, government would never dare to pass a law allowing police trawling "possible crime related" phone calls without a warrant. But somehow they have no problem passing a law that allows corporates do similar things.

I wouldn't be too sure about that! The Search and Surveillance Bill currently going through parliament will allow Government agencies (such as the Pork Board, the Food Safety Authority or the Reserve Bank) to break in and install audio & video surveillance devices in private property for up to three days without a warrant!! This National Government has been systematically removing our rights and freedoms, trampling over our civil liberties, disregarding the recommendations of the Law Commission & dismissing the concerns of the Law Society, taking us down the road towards a fascist police-state. How on earth are they getting away with it? Goodbye democracy, hello tyranny!

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#458721 14-Apr-2011 13:30

old3eyes:
grolschie:
StarBlazer:

Okay - keep your hand raised if you have NOT;

Lent or borrowed a CD/DVD/Blu-ray etc etc

Anybody still got their hand up? Really - let's continue

Ehhmm... lending/borrowing a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray is not illegal.

That's next week law passed under urgency..

Have you never seen on the back of CD's etc;

"unauthorised copying, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting prohibited" as part of the copyright notice?

Procrastination eventually pays off.

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#458724 14-Apr-2011 13:33

I believe we saw this sort of law back in the early 1900's when the automobile was invented, and horse and cart manufacturers were worried that their business was in danger of becoming outdated. In that case I believe they had a law passed that in order to drive one of the new automobiles, you needed someone walking in front of it ringing a warning bell to warn people that this new dangerous machine was approaching. There are parallels with the media industry. They need to adapt and embrace to the new technologiies, rather than fight against them,

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#458727 14-Apr-2011 13:39

StarBlazer:
old3eyes:
grolschie:
StarBlazer:

Okay - keep your hand raised if you have NOT;

Lent or borrowed a CD/DVD/Blu-ray etc etc

Anybody still got their hand up? Really - let's continue

Ehhmm... lending/borrowing a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray is not illegal.

That's next week law passed under urgency..

Have you never seen on the back of CD's etc;

"unauthorised copying, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting prohibited" as part of the copyright notice?

I remember at school, they used to hire videos from the local store, for students to watch enmass. That was probably prohibited too. But then again photocopying a page out of a book or magazine at the library is also probably prohibited.

Doesn't copyright expire after 50 years or something. I heard that one media company in another country recently had some laws changed to extend copyright to hundreds of years, after some of their valuable material was due to soon come out of copyright. They have some high up and powerful people.

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#458729 14-Apr-2011 13:42

Hrmmm I seem to recall some company (let's just say Sony) putting pressure on schools/school libraries for these reasons a while back...assclowns..

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#458730 14-Apr-2011 13:44

robbyp: Doesn't copyright expire after 50 years or something.

I'm not sure of the actual length, but isn't that why they recently re-released the back catalogue of The Beatles and Elvis etc.

Procrastination eventually pays off.

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#458749 14-Apr-2011 14:17

robbyp:
Doesn't copyright expire after 50 years or something. I heard that one media company in another country recently had some laws changed to extend copyright to hundreds of years, after some of their valuable material was due to soon come out of copyright. They have some high up and powerful people.

Life of the author + 50 years. The US is/has extended that to +70 years.

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#458752 14-Apr-2011 14:24

kiwigeek1: The fact is most of the stuff downloaded wouldnt be bought by the people anyhow if p2p didnt exist so reality these geedy media coys arent loosing a thing.. most that use it have no money for such things

Totally agree there!

The media companies always love to push the line that Piracy = Lost Profit, where in reality as you say, often the piracy only happens out of opportunity, and a legal purchase by the person would not have happened anyway as they couldn't afford it.

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#458754 14-Apr-2011 14:27

Agent24:
kiwigeek1: The fact is most of the stuff downloaded wouldnt be bought by the people anyhow if p2p didnt exist so reality these geedy media coys arent loosing a thing.. most that use it have no money for such things

Totally agree there!

The media companies always love to push the line that Piracy = Lost Profit, where in reality as you say, often the piracy only happens out of opportunity, and a legal purchase by the person would not have happened anyway as they couldn't afford it.

Also many people forget that because someone downloaded something illegally it does not mean they won't ever buy it legally.

If someone downloads a movie and likes it chances are they will pick up the blu-ray version when it some out.

Or if they watch a tv show online they will buy the box set when that comes out.

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