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#458846 14-Apr-2011 17:07

kiwigeek1: just have to look at youtube to see almost everyone breaks the copyright and uses bits of video or music to make their own funnies..
grab it watch it.. learn

That's different. Most copyright laws allow for the use of small portions of an art creation for the creation of parody, or to illustrate an article. The whole discussion here is about ENTIRE pieces of work, not a few minutes.

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#458847 14-Apr-2011 17:10

kiwigeek1: once a tv show has aired in the tv radio waves and been captured anywhere I find it hard to believe they still claim copyright

Read this article from the consumer website - particulary "Next you'll be saying I can't tape off the radio or TV!"
http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/copyright-law

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#458848 14-Apr-2011 17:12

StarBlazer:
Libraries and DVD rental stores pay a licence to lend/rent out the books and DVDs (and games) etc. I know in the UK the DVD you get from the DVD store is different to the DVD you can get from a shop.

It is enforceable - they probably can't be bothered. Apathy on both sides is what will make this a white elephant of a law.

from:
http://www.copyright.org.nz/html/blob.php/Copyright_and_Libraries_May2010.pdf?attach=true&document=444&filetypecode=1&fileId=114

"3. Rights of copyright owners Copyright owners have exclusive rights in relation to their work, to:
· Copy (photocopy, scan, record, download and store);
· Issue copies to the public (publish or distribute copies). Note that the lending of works generally does not infringe copyright; ..."

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#458850 14-Apr-2011 17:13

yikes, gonna have to sort out my step son then... now I get why he wanted 60gigs from xtra. Thanks, now I know my butts in the sling things may need to change a bit.

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#458853 14-Apr-2011 17:20

SepticSceptic:
tardtasticx: 2Degrees should make some really high usage packs, so pirates can use those. The bill says the suspention of internet doesnt apply to mobile internet connections until 2013 or something because of the high cost of data.

Why would you use expensive mobile BB to d/l video content ? - all that trouble and you would spend almost as much for the mobile BB as you would for the real shiny disc thing !

Because it'd be way cheaper than importing the box set of a TV show thats not released in NZ

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#458855 14-Apr-2011 17:23

grolschie:
StarBlazer:
Libraries and DVD rental stores pay a licence to lend/rent out the books and DVDs (and games) etc. I know in the UK the DVD you get from the DVD store is different to the DVD you can get from a shop.

It is enforceable - they probably can't be bothered. Apathy on both sides is what will make this a white elephant of a law.

from:
http://www.copyright.org.nz/html/blob.php/Copyright_and_Libraries_May2010.pdf?attach=true&document=444&filetypecode=1&fileId=114

"3. Rights of copyright owners Copyright owners have exclusive rights in relation to their work, to:
· Copy (photocopy, scan, record, download and store);
· Issue copies to the public (publish or distribute copies). Note that the lending of works generally does not infringe copyright; ..."

Sure but this is a publication for use by librarians about their duties under the copyright law. As said libraries and rental stores already have a licence to lend - libraries have certain licences to copy. Also read section 10 - they need a licence to "extend" what they can do including licence to copy television and radio broadcasts.

As said earlier - we are not qualified to say precisely what is covered or is allowed.

It will really be interesting to watch the first enforcement of this in a tribunal - whether it will be a mum and dad because their little Johnny downloaded a TV show or if they will go after the people ripping and distributing.

Procrastination eventually pays off.

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#458857 14-Apr-2011 17:31

kyhwana2:
robbyp:
Doesn't copyright expire after 50 years or something. I heard that one media company in another country recently had some laws changed to extend copyright to hundreds of years, after some of their valuable material was due to soon come out of copyright. They have some high up and powerful people.

Life of the author + 50 years. The US is/has extended that to +70 years.

I think mickey mouse stuff was due to come of of copyright soon.

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#458859 14-Apr-2011 17:35

COPYright gives you a clue about what a copyright covers.

Lending somebody something does not a breach of copyright make.

Video rental places do not have special agreements (only) because of copyright, they have special agreements because of public exhibition restrictions which are placed upon the media in question, in addition to the copyright.

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#458862 14-Apr-2011 17:41

StarBlazer:

Sure but this is a publication for use by librarians about their duties under the copyright law. As said libraries and rental stores already have a licence to lend - libraries have certain licences to copy. Also read section 10 - they need a licence to "extend" what they can do including licence to copy television and radio broadcasts.

As said earlier - we are not qualified to say precisely what is covered or is allowed.

It will really be interesting to watch the first enforcement of this in a tribunal - whether it will be a mum and dad because their little Johnny downloaded a TV show or if they will go after the people ripping and distributing.

My initial response was however to the implication that when Joe Average lends a book, CD or DVD that he is somehow breaking the law. Search if you can, and please tell me what law he is breaking when he lends one to his friend? Because I think you will find that he is not breaking any law. Please correct me if I am wrong though.

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#458874 14-Apr-2011 18:00

I'm just p*ssed off about the underhanded way they went about this law and the fact they have no idea what they're even on about!

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#458878 14-Apr-2011 18:05

and youre pissed at the new law?

when you deal with ACC and they demand a assessment by their favoured psychologists do you know that their chosen psychologists claim that an assessment of you cannot be recorded due to a claim of copyright of the actual tests - thats like saying school exams cannot be shown and copied to the examinee due to a copyright of the actual tests and that sending out such may lead to exposure of such tests on the internet.

hmmm

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#458886 14-Apr-2011 18:27

Shadowfoot:
Flippikat:
kyhwana2:

The TV show wouldn't have a smaller audience if it was shown around the same time it was shown elsewhere, but since they aren't, thats how things end up.

Then you hit the next big problem - season mismatch.

The American shows typically screen between September & May.

If network programmers here schedule shows immediately after they screen in the USA, that leaves nothing for the months when weather here is at it's worst - june, july & august, and potential audiences are at their biggest (or so the argument goes..)

Perhaps this would be a good to for NZ content to be scheduled.

Yeah, that's a good point.. there are some - few - shows in the northern hemisphere that screen in our winter, but it DOES create a window for local & Australian productions to fill schedules.. and in reasonable timeslots.

It would take a major shift in network programmers' thinking, though.

Many NZ shows are currently cast into the ratings doom of late night - especially friday night.

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#458888 14-Apr-2011 18:35

blakamin: I'm just p*ssed off about the underhanded way they went about this law and the fact they have no idea what they're even on about!

Check this out then:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10719268

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#458890 14-Apr-2011 18:45

grolschie:
blakamin: I'm just p*ssed off about the underhanded way they went about this law and the fact they have no idea what they're even on about!

Check this out then:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10719268

Makes me wonder who'll win the next election? Greens?

If only my Mrs would make the move (oz) but she's lived in the same town for 37 years!

The other thing that gets me is the guilty-until-you-prove-you're-innocent-on-the-whim-of-the-MPAA-etc

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#458894 14-Apr-2011 19:02

Cymro:
dougierydal: Will the law target the downloading of TV shows? I would have thought it is aimed at movies, software and music primarily...

The law leaves the door open for any coyright holder (or group officially representing a copyright holder) to raise an infringement for any content, so whilst the majority of them will be music and movies (backed by the detection abilities studio's have invested in) people like Fox/NBC/HBO etc. could also raise infringements if they wanted to or could see value in it.

To be honest the current law has a huge number of holes in it, and the regulation to go alongside it hasn't been agreed at all yet with the ISP's, especially around the ability of an ISP to pass admin charges back to the copyright holders raising an issue - combine that with the incomprehensible "guilty until proven innocent" approach and you have a system ripe for abuse by the copyright holders (or those paid agents representing them).

Its also a bit ripe for people to start claiming this will make them vote Labour, it's worth noting that Labour were ready to implement a much more draconian version of this law.

I still don't think downloading Episode 20 of say 'The Good Wife', when we're up to Episode 6 or 7 here would interest them really. I understand they could, but can't see why (who) would bother...

As I mentioned before I'm sure the big targets are movies, music and software

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