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  Reply # 483190 20-Jun-2011 14:03
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Ah, well, in that case yes, I agree. :)




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  Reply # 483444 20-Jun-2011 22:30
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This will go on forever! Lets try this, and assume we can get changes made as follows


1. It is innocent till proven guilty box ticked

2. Evidence is provided (it will be as per the Act anyway) but box ticked

3. No notices issued for filesharing involving any digital content that was never exported to NZ in hard copy, and is not available online. box ticked.

These three issues seem to be the main ones. Many here say the issue is a flawed business model meaning not all content can be got here, hence point 3

Will the above satisfy us? Well it should do based upon the discussion. Point 3 will encourage distributors to make as much content available as they can.

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  Reply # 483478 21-Jun-2011 06:51
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Suits me.

Also, the Redcoats song I was talking about appeared on the NZ iTunes store last night. Purchased. #3 in action. ;-)




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  Reply # 483563 21-Jun-2011 11:26
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tdgeek: This will go on forever! Lets try this, and assume we can get changes made as follows


1. It is innocent till proven guilty box ticked

2. Evidence is provided (it will be as per the Act anyway) but box ticked

3. No notices issued for filesharing involving any digital content that was never exported to NZ in hard copy, and is not available online. box ticked.

These three issues seem to be the main ones. Many here say the issue is a flawed business model meaning not all content can be got here, hence point 3

Will the above satisfy us? Well it should do based upon the discussion. Point 3 will encourage distributors to make as much content available as they can.


Sounds sensible, #1 is definitely the biggest problem with the new current law.

However #3 is problematic imo.

What if something arrives here but 3 months later than released overseas?  Does that still trigger your exclusion?  To most people 3 months later is "too little too late" but where do you draw the line?

In fact to many people who download tv episodes from bittorrent (two popular current examples: Dr Who and Game of Thrones).. more than a couple of days later is too little to late.

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  Reply # 483565 21-Jun-2011 11:31
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Ragnor:
In fact to many people who download tv episodes from bittorrent (two popular current examples: Dr Who and Game of Thrones).. more than a couple of days later is too little to late.


That would be the point: to encourage you NOT to wait 3 months.




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  Reply # 484618 22-Jun-2011 20:13
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Derp. Fail. So it was just quicker/easier to torrent this.

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  Reply # 484903 23-Jun-2011 11:33
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  Reply # 485000 23-Jun-2011 13:22
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Well said Rolling Stone, well said.

SaltyNZ:
Ragnor:
In fact to many people who download tv episodes from bittorrent (two popular current examples: Dr Who and Game of Thrones).. more than a couple of days later is too little to late.


That would be the point: to encourage you NOT to wait 3 months.


There is certainly a grey area involved when you start proposing rules around whether or not you can download something that hasn't yet been released in NZ. I mean it is only an idea at this point, and an idea that is really unlikely to be put into law in any case.

Maybe there should be a lot stricter time frames imposed on broadcasters to secure rights to TV series they are actually going to show in their entirety. Once that time limit passes, and if the content is not yet available to purchase in NZ, then we are all free to obtain it by other means without fear of prosecution.

Just an idea.

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  Reply # 485192 23-Jun-2011 21:17
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Yes, this is just an idea (mine actually!)

But at least it will be easier to argue that, and it is not unrealistc that such arguments as the ACt takes affect and cases heard, does evolve. The aim of the Act is the sharing of the obvious. Movies, music, games etc that are freely available. The sharing or downloading of unavailable content is a fraction of an issue, both volumetrically, and morally.

Brings me back to civil cases that you see when you study Torts. A defendant is found liable, but the situation these days makes the judgement unfair or unreasonable. BUT, the law is the law and the predecent has been tested before so therefore the defendant is liable. So, make him liable as per the law and fine him $1 . The have the statute amended.

I'd like to see that approach taken by the rightsholders and Copyright Tribunal. Target the obvious downloaders.

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