Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




3363 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 716

Trusted

# 104994 24-Jun-2012 23:35
Send private message

Anyone know how to stop the facebook and google maps processes running in the background?

Android isnt very good at managing the memory on my phone and unless i regularly kill them, the phone crashes or freezes - or slows down almost to a halt as android itself tries to free up memory.

All i seem to find when searching google is people saying how task killers are a bad idea - even though i am not sure if a task killer would be required. I just want facebook and maps to stop running int he background and using ram.

I know how andoid caches apps to speed things up, but i would prefer to wait for these apps than to have everything else on my phone crashing and running slow.




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




Create new topic
3539 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 125

Trusted

  # 645617 25-Jun-2012 01:14
Send private message

Hi Ray,

Completely off-topic I know, but I read this article about your wireless network here:

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/news/broadband-favour-leads-to-new-job/1422897/

You certainly have been busy and it sounds like you have grabbed a tiger by the tail.  Congratulations on taking the initiative and getting all those people hooked up to broadband.  Rural NZ needs more people like you!





368 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  # 645624 25-Jun-2012 03:17
Send private message

Ray,

Old or really budget phone and not rooted?

I'm guessing you have less than 512MB of RAM.

I'm not sure you can 'remove' the process if it's listed as a service-only process without getting a forced close 'message' or just having the process restart again. These processes are in an active listening state.

I deleted FB, Twitter and aprox. 30 other applications after rooting my phone, which I guess is an extreme way of doing it. Laughing

You may find the Googles Maps process is, just a one off 'touch base' start-up activation and then it goes on the inactive list and will be 'dropped' if the memory is required. I see Google Maps indicates use of 24MB RAM when in memory

Many people say the memory scheduling is pretty good on Android and the process of dropping an app out of memory if resources are needed is about as good as it can be and not to worry about it (Android 2.3+).

I recovered only approx 20MB of usable memory (RAM) after deleting all my bloat-ware apps (FB and Twitter included) at startup and now I find, other 'good' apps are just using that memory, so in an attempt to 'free' memory, all I did was make room for other applications to sit in an idle state... and take up memory. 

However, I do notice a bit better response when a reduced number of applications that are attempting to access memory/resources.

Having applications idled in memory is not a bad thing, as this allows you to drop out of an application and then come back to the previous application and continue where you left off.

It's when you can't do that, you may find you've just got to many applications installed and need to get a new phone with more RAM (512MB+) or reduce the number of applications.

It's the applications that have 'services' or listeners that are the ones I'd try and reduce. That's those ones that if you delete with a task manager, they just start again.

I use the Android application SystemPanel to monitor applications and you'll see the ones that have an active service process.

I have over 60 applications installed on a 'rooted' XPERIA X10i with 385MB of memory (RAM) and approx 30 - 90MB free and I have no problems with only a few resident service processes like Business Calendar, 3Gwatcgdog and screen/input management.

Google Maps, Cerberus and my Internet radio are all in an inactive (cached) state... which is odd as I'm listen to music as I write.


 
 
 
 




3363 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 716

Trusted

  # 645683 25-Jun-2012 09:14
Send private message

Its a rooted Motorola Milestone with the cyanogenmod 7 loaded on.

I paid about $900 for it new from harvey norman about 12 months ago. I think it has 256mb of internal memory.

Will have a closer read of your post later




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here






3363 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 716

Trusted

  # 645688 25-Jun-2012 09:38
Send private message

grant_k: Hi Ray,

Completely off-topic I know, but I read this article about your wireless network here:

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/news/broadband-favour-leads-to-new-job/1422897/

You certainly have been busy and it sounds like you have grabbed a tiger by the tail.  Congratulations on taking the initiative and getting all those people hooked up to broadband.  Rural NZ needs more people like you!


Thanks Grant




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




108 posts

Master Geek


  # 645693 25-Jun-2012 09:47
Send private message

Get friend caster, FB is just rubbish.

Mine stays running in the background using CPU and drains the battery.

Mad Scientist
20469 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2792

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  # 645704 25-Jun-2012 10:01
Send private message

solution:

1 delete FB

2 if i recall there is an ancient maps version that is not so hard on battery but the best solution is to freeze the thing with titanium backup - but to be honest the drain is quite minimal ... IF you turn off all your location sensing options - turn off latitude, turn off other location things under settings

have fun ... i have had my only smartphone for 12 months and have spent the last 12 months of my life trying to stop battery drain ... i think i have aged a lot boo




Swype on iOS is detrimental to accurate typing. Apologies in advance.


368 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  # 645902 25-Jun-2012 14:33
Send private message

raytaylor: Its a rooted Motorola Milestone with the cyanogenmod 7 loaded on.

I paid about $900 for it new from harvey norman about 12 months ago. I think it has 256mb of internal memory.


Oh crap, I nearly choked on my Green tea and lemon fusion with drizzle of honey.

A Motorola Milestone? Not a Milestone 2 or 3?
Even a year ago, that would have been top dollar for a circa 2009 phone and probably one of Motorolas first Android phones.

Motorola Milestone (1)
Date Released: November 2009
CPU: 600 MHz Cortex-A8
GPU: PowerVR SGX530
Memory:
256MB RAM
Internal Usable Storage: 133MB

Motorola Milestone 2
Date Released: December 2010
CPU: 1 GHz Cortex-A8
GPU: PowerVR SGX530
Memory:
512MB RAM
Storage: 8GB

If indeed it is a Motorola Milestone one(1), then I'd sell it (if you can) and buy a new phone.
But to be honest, it's as if Harvey Norman sold you a Motorola Milestone (1) at the price point of a Motorola Milestone 2 during 2011, if indeed you do have a Milestone one(1)
The Milestone(1) is not designed for today's environment and even with CM 7 on it, it still can't overcome the hardware limitations.

Compare that to my circa 2009 XPERIA X10i which I bought over a year ago for $460.00

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10i
Date Released: November 2009
CPU: 1GHz QSD8250 Snapdragon
GPU: Adreno 200
Memory:
384MB RAM
Internal Usable Storage: 465MB

Now even I struggle manging resources on my olde worlde phone and it has ⅓ more resources than a Milestone(1). And I deleted FaceBook!!!

So even with some of the good suggestions above, you're still left with a phone that has no resources.

The cheapest Android phones these days mostly come with 512MB of memory (RAM) and at least 512MB of user storage.

If you have a Motorola Milestone 2, than yes, maybe you have a problem that could be corrected, Milestone(1)... no chance.

HOWEVER, if you can download Titanium Backup and can install it, you may be able to remove some non-required system apps (CM7 should be fiarly clean though) and or just uninstall some of your installed apps and free up some memory. Remember, with your memory limitations you can't leave Titanium Backup installed so consider that in any backup/recovery/removal process.

OR just delete Facebook, as I see it as bloatware...and it's getting worse.

Also News and weather feeds can be bad apples too.

It sounds like your memory is 'trashing' swapping stuff in and out of memory given 256MB of RAM (Milestone 1)
Using a system analysis tool (SystemPanel) what is the available memory during use. I'd suggest you'd need approx 50MB available for new process start-up, such that the system doesn't have to swap out a process every time a new one starts.

There may be a CM7 setting to aggressively manage memory(RAM). I've never used CM and maybe someone knows more about this. There may also be apps to 'manage' RAM as I've seen such things on XDA, but I put this into the same basket as Battery optimizer applications... But hay, still better than solar battery charging apps for Android phones. Laughing

 
 
 
 




3363 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 716

Trusted

  # 646040 25-Jun-2012 18:21
Send private message

It could have been more than 12 months - in fact probably was. Im not so good at remembering how old appliances are.

It is a milestone 1 - they had just recently come out when i bought it shortly after they announced the international version of the droid

I found an app called Auto Memory Manager which has let me adjust how agressive the memory managment is, and it seems to have helped stop the phone from randomly crashing.




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




368 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  # 646098 25-Jun-2012 21:02
Send private message

raytaylor: I found an app called Auto Memory Manager which has let me adjust how agressive the memory managment is, and it seems to have helped stop the phone from randomly crashing.


Cool, I've never looked at such apps myself, but the one you note is very well received and if it works and extends the life of your phone, all the better.

I've learnt something new Laughing

4431 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1356
Inactive user


  # 646130 25-Jun-2012 22:58
Send private message

raytaylor: I found an app called Auto Memory Manager which has let me adjust how agressive the memory managment is, and it seems to have helped stop the phone from randomly crashing.


How's your battery life with that?

memory management apps are not normally recommended for android.



3363 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 716

Trusted

  # 646133 25-Jun-2012 23:18
Send private message

blakamin:
raytaylor: I found an app called Auto Memory Manager which has let me adjust how agressive the memory managment is, and it seems to have helped stop the phone from randomly crashing.


How's your battery life with that?

memory management apps are not normally recommended for android.


Thats the comment i could only seem to find online - memory apps and task managers are bad. I realise that android is designed to keep things in cache, but my battery was going flat much faster since the last facebook update, and both facebook and maps were causing the phone to crash and become unresponsive when browsing using dolphin browser or opening other apps. This seems to have fixed all the slow unresponsiveness - and seems my battery life lasted a bit longer today.

Usually 50% when i get home, today was at 70%. I spend about 15 minutes a day on it talking and send / recieve about 20 txts.


Even if it made the battery life shorter, its still better than having to pull out the battery every 2 hours and reboot it. What was real bad was when it would start juggling memory around as i went to answer a call and it would play a white noise sound to the caller if it crashed.




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




4431 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1356
Inactive user


  # 646134 25-Jun-2012 23:20
Send private message

Sounds all good then!

Might be time for a new phone.. I recommend the sg3 ;-p



3363 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 716

Trusted

  # 646721 26-Jun-2012 22:41
Send private message

blakamin: Sounds all good then!

Might be time for a new phone.. I recommend the sg3 ;-p


I shall go to the vodafone shop tomorrow and have a look.
I was thinking of getting another sony sk17i - it was fast, small size, had a slide out full keyboard (not a membrane like the milestone) but i think its memory was limited.
Vodafone offered me a high value phone on my contract but i chose the slightly cheaper sk17i because of its small size, but still had a slide out full keyboard.

edit: is the sg3 the samsung galaxy 3?
I think it might be a bit big for what i need - without the slide out keyboard it wont work for me, but i like it for everything else - a friend was just talking about them on skype.




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




671 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 129


  # 646744 27-Jun-2012 00:39
Send private message

I would assume he meant the Galaxy S 3, It is looking like a very nice phone and I have been getting increasingly tempted by it myself, My old HTC Desire is getting a little past its prime although CM7 is still very nice to use.

368 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  # 647329 28-Jun-2012 01:42
Send private message

Sony 'Ericsson' has the XPERIA Pro which has a pullout keyboard. I don't know much about it but the specs are OK and it'll be upgraded to ICS. Although it's only a 1GHz processor (512 RAM) with an Adreno 205 GPU so ICS may tax it a bit.
Has a 3.7" screen, 8MP camera and HDMI which is a nice touch.

You can probably pick one up for around $370.00 (einfo dot co dot nz)

At 120 x 57 x 13.5 mm and 142g it's a bit bigger than the Sony 'Ericsson' SK17i at 92 x 53 x 18 mm and 136g

Only on Cyanogen experimental build list though. I read, they've announced CM9 now  at Cyanogen.

Sony Ericsson Xperia pro MK16 Black

Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Spark Sport launches across a range of new devices
Posted 22-Jul-2019 13:19


Dunedin selects Telensa to deliver smart street lighting for 15,000 LEDs
Posted 18-Jul-2019 10:21


Sprint announces a connected wallet card with built-in IoT support
Posted 18-Jul-2019 08:36


Educational tool developed at Otago makes international launch
Posted 17-Jul-2019 21:57


Symantec introduces cloud access security solution
Posted 17-Jul-2019 21:48


New Zealand government unveils new digital service to make business easier
Posted 16-Jul-2019 17:35


Scientists unveil image of quantum entanglement
Posted 13-Jul-2019 06:00


Hackers to be challenged at University of Waikato
Posted 12-Jul-2019 21:34


OPPO Reno Z now available in New Zealand
Posted 12-Jul-2019 21:28


Sony introduces WF-1000XM3 wireless headphones with noise cancellation
Posted 8-Jul-2019 16:56


Xero announces new smarter tools, push into the North American market
Posted 19-Jun-2019 17:20


New report by Unisys shows New Zealanders want action by social platform companies and police to monitor social media sites
Posted 19-Jun-2019 17:09


ASB adds Google Pay option to contactless payments
Posted 19-Jun-2019 17:05


New Zealand PC Market declines on the back of high channel inventory, IDC reports
Posted 18-Jun-2019 17:35


Air New Zealand uses drones to inspect aircraft
Posted 17-Jun-2019 15:39



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.