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  #788496 28-Mar-2013 11:55
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Hmm those GSM Arena still shots in daylight are the worst I've seen, but every other site has the One about on par with the iph 5, GS3, and Lumia 920 (albeit producing smaller photos). It's commonly known amongst HTC users that you should always set Sharpness to minus 2 when taking stills to reduce noise. Samsung and Apple both use very heavy noise reduction during processing.

Technobuffalo had a really nice camera comparison:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/03/12/htc-one-vs-latest-smartphones-camera-comparison/

I truly do wish they had made the One camera 8 megapixel, but to me the whole package for the One will make up for the small photos.

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  #788497 28-Mar-2013 11:56
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NZtechfreak:
Kopkiwi: That HTC One camera is bloody awful. It's not even a close comparison.


That's what I referring to, based on GSMArena's comparisons ultrapixels do not look anywhere near as good as a decent 13mp, which is why I wondered if the suggestion they were was taken from some piece other than the linked one.
Are those photos before or after they fixed the lens and firmware upgrade of the camera.





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  #788498 28-Mar-2013 11:57
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NZtechfreak:
Kopkiwi: That HTC One camera is bloody awful. It's not even a close comparison.


That's what I referring to, based on GSMArena's comparisons ultrapixels do not look anywhere near as good as a decent 13mp, which is why I wondered if the suggestion they were was taken from some piece other than the linked one.


THere were reports that some of the pre release review units had faulty sensors. Some have been replaced and most sites stated a huge improvement. But those pictures don't compare to other photos taken with the One from other reviews so I wonder if they have a faulty pre release unit too.



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  #788509 28-Mar-2013 12:14
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It would appear that HTC have done the same thing with the One that occurred 12 months ago with the One X. They released the One X with immature almost beta firmware that led to (amongst others) high battery consumption and the annoying 3-dot menu popup, and a raft of manufacturing faults. Obstensively to beat the S3 (and to a lesser extent, the iPhone5) to market.
It took 6 months to sort out. The One X is now an effective phone, if a little short on battery life.
So the camera 'fix' is possibly the first evolution of getting to a great phone.

Since I always put a cover on my phone, the metal vs plastic argument won't come in to my consideration. But what I will be doing is waiting until both the One and S4 have been around for a couple of months, being used by real consumers before I decide. Maybe even waiting for the midlife One+ ?




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  #788513 28-Mar-2013 12:18
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When you need a guide like the one on Android Central then you're off to a bad start. Majority of consumers want a camera they can pick up and use. I like the idea of the One camera, but if the execution is as dismal as it sounds then it might not help their case.

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  #788593 28-Mar-2013 13:15
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Gilco2:
NZtechfreak:
Kopkiwi: That HTC One camera is bloody awful. It's not even a close comparison.


That's what I referring to, based on GSMArena's comparisons ultrapixels do not look anywhere near as good as a decent 13mp, which is why I wondered if the suggestion they were was taken from some piece other than the linked one.
Are those photos before or after they fixed the lens and firmware upgrade of the camera.



There is no camera firmware upgrade, never was. The site that said that have since corrected their piece, they had a "bad unit" and got it replaced with a normal unit.

The main reason the One looks so dramatically bad in those daytime shots is that the side-by-side shots are 100% crops which fully expose the difference between 4mp and 13mp in good lighting conditions where the ultrapixels don't bring any particular advantage to the fray as they do in low light.




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  #788605 28-Mar-2013 13:35
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NZtechfreak:
Gilco2:
NZtechfreak:
Kopkiwi: That HTC One camera is bloody awful. It's not even a close comparison.


That's what I referring to, based on GSMArena's comparisons ultrapixels do not look anywhere near as good as a decent 13mp, which is why I wondered if the suggestion they were was taken from some piece other than the linked one.
Are those photos before or after they fixed the lens and firmware upgrade of the camera.



There is no camera firmware upgrade, never was. The site that said that have since corrected their piece, they had a "bad unit" and got it replaced with a normal unit.

The main reason the One looks so dramatically bad in those daytime shots is that the side-by-side shots are 100% crops which fully expose the difference between 4mp and 13mp in good lighting conditions where the ultrapixels don't bring any particular advantage to the fray as they do in low light.
either way doesnt worry me as for what I do its perfectly acceptable.  If I want high quality photos like at a wedding or other event then I use a proper camera. For everyday photos and even A4 prints the camera on HTC One is perfectly acceptable.  After all its a phone first and anything else are extras so compromises have to be made somewhere. Overall its personal preference between different phones




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  #788621 28-Mar-2013 13:45
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Gilco2:
NZtechfreak:
Gilco2:
NZtechfreak:
Kopkiwi: That HTC One camera is bloody awful. It's not even a close comparison.


That's what I referring to, based on GSMArena's comparisons ultrapixels do not look anywhere near as good as a decent 13mp, which is why I wondered if the suggestion they were was taken from some piece other than the linked one.
Are those photos before or after they fixed the lens and firmware upgrade of the camera.



There is no camera firmware upgrade, never was. The site that said that have since corrected their piece, they had a "bad unit" and got it replaced with a normal unit.

The main reason the One looks so dramatically bad in those daytime shots is that the side-by-side shots are 100% crops which fully expose the difference between 4mp and 13mp in good lighting conditions where the ultrapixels don't bring any particular advantage to the fray as they do in low light.
either way doesnt worry me as for what I do its perfectly acceptable.  If I want high quality photos like at a wedding or other event then I use a proper camera. For everyday photos and even A4 prints the camera on HTC One is perfectly acceptable.  After all its a phone first and anything else are extras so compromises have to be made somewhere. Overall its personal preference between different phones


Did you already purchase one as that sounds like post-purchase rationalization or choice-supportive bias. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization

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t isn't just personal preference, the HTC One camera is not as good as the camera in the Samsung Galaxy S4, even in low-light conditions. If you care about the quality of pictures you take on your mobile device (and you should if you are spending this much on a mobile device) then the S4 is clearly a better device. 




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Master Geek


  #788692 28-Mar-2013 15:08
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I've read pretty much all the reviews of HTC one from tech sites (i.e. engadget, the verge, gmsarena, pocketnow, etc etc.).

They all say the camera is good but not great. At max, you can say it's as good as s3.
But, I think it's good enough for day-to-day needs.

I agree it would have been awesome if they used 8 megapixel instead of 4. 


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  #789026 28-Mar-2013 22:25
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"Preorders seem to be doing very well for HTC, with the device hitting several hundred thousand of preorders in the United States. HTC are happy with this demand they are seeing, with the company saying this is the best they have ever seen for one of their devices."

Sauce

Well that's a good start for HTC - hopefully they can get all the preorders sorted asap and get stock in the shops soon after.

You never know this might actually keep them ticking - would love to see what they do with blinkfeed and sense given the time to actually develop them as promised.

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  #791906 2-Apr-2013 19:46
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Don't be worried about camera quality,

The review units were beta and HTC has released a update to the cameras firmware that have improved it and one reviewer changed their score to suit.

personally, its a Camera and I don't use cameras.

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  #791927 2-Apr-2013 21:04
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^ Not to mention I pretty much only use my phone camera in poor lighting such as partys - hence it does what you need from a phone

Which reviewer changed their stance?

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  #791941 2-Apr-2013 21:15
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Greaver: ^ Not to mention I pretty much only use my phone camera in poor lighting such as partys - hence it does what you need from a phone

Which reviewer changed their stance?


http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/review-htc-ones-camera-tested-updated

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  #791946 2-Apr-2013 21:21
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I initially had to choose between 3 phones - the Sony Xperia Z, S4 and the HTC One.

Went to play with the Z at Sony. While the design looks awesome, the rough edges weren't to my liking. And to be honest, felt cheap, despite the premium design. Didn't like the fact that the back, home and menu buttons took up real estate on the screen.

The S4, while awesome, doesn't warrant - in my opinion - the price tag of $1149. The gestures feature is a gimmick. Who's gonna look nerdy enough to do those gestures in public? Sure, being able to automatically stop a video while you aren't looking is useful. On the other hand, does it really matter?

Down to the HTC One. Premium design and materials. The size, while not 5", may be the perfect size for everyday use. I currently own the Note 1.0 and over time found the size to be a hindrance. Love the big screen... dislike the bulk especially when putting it in the front or back pocket. One handed use is out of the question.

The camera is an important feature to me and as per Greaver's comments above, often photos taken with the mobile is in darker conditions. Gimmick or not, at least they are thinking about how we use our phones.

Anyway, also glad that I managed to pre-order off Noel Leeming today for under $800 - 20% discount. Awesomeness!

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  #791948 2-Apr-2013 21:23
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heavenlywild: I initially had to choose between 3 phones - the Sony Xperia Z, S4 and the HTC One.

Went to play with the Z at Sony. While the design looks awesome, the rough edges weren't to my liking. And to be honest, felt cheap, despite the premium design. Didn't like the fact that the back, home and menu buttons took up real estate on the screen.


I also didnt like that all the port were covered up for the sake of being water tight, i use my phone as an MP3 player at least 50% of the time  I dont want to be pulling off flaps 5 times a day thats why i decided not to get 1

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